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11-17-2008, 10:25 AM
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How much leverage do you think McPhee really has? There are other players involved in these rumors, I would say a fair deal would work, but I don't think GMGM should hold out too long, or he could be kicking himself if another deal not involving the Caps unfolds. At that point, I dont think Nyls gets moved.

What does CHI have in cap space right now, $2 million?

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Not that much, with Barker on their team right now.

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Do they have someone in LTIR? How are they under if not?

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Do they have someone in LTIR? How are they under if not?
revised: I guess it's possible Wisniewski is on LTIR.

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Ahh...that makes a bit more sense...but Wisniewski only makes 900k.

Bah. I have a hell of a time just following our cap problems to have to figure out Chicago's issues.

Man...That Huet deal is brutal with Khabibulin still on the roster.

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I ran the numbers quickly and if he is on LTIR, the numbers worked for the players showing as on the NHL roster (per NHLPA) right now, plus including the Brown buyout, etc.

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Man...That Huet deal is brutal with Khabibulin still on the roster.
Serves them right.

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11-17-2008, 11:08 AM
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I really wonder if Lou will bite on getting a short term goalie fix.

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Ahh...that makes a bit more sense...but Wisniewski only makes 900k.

Bah. I have a hell of a time just following our cap problems to have to figure out Chicago's issues.

Man...That Huet deal is brutal with Khabibulin still on the roster.
Kinda like us with signing Feds to a 4 mil deal with Nyles still here.


Meh if it happens it happens - I'm not going to hold my breath waiting.

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11-17-2008, 11:17 AM
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I really wonder if Lou will bite on getting a short term goalie fix.
I have been wondering that, too; I think they need to get some of the other players back in the line-up before he makes that decision; Martin is back, but there are plenty of injured Devils and Rolston has had a setback with one of those evil ankle injuries. Also, there is the issue of having enough cap space when Brodeur is ready to return later in the season.

If he does, it will be for a goalie only signed through this season and while you have to give to get, I don't see him parting with a core player for a temp. solution; perhaps that changes if Brodeur has a setback in his rehab. (and they wouldn't know that for awhile.), but I see it as a temp solution. I will say I am not sure where Gionta fits in with the org. at this point; IMO, the big issue is what he is looking for in terms of dollars in his next contract since he's UFA this summer.

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11-17-2008, 11:21 AM
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you know who I have always thought would be a better fix for NJ than Khabibulin?

Kolzig.

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Per the Chicago website, this is the roster, with cap hits taken from IB. The cap hits from IB are reliable, but IB's roster seems to be off right now.

Forwards

0,600,000 . Craig Adams 6' 0" 197 Apr 26, 1977 31 Seria, BRN
0,845,833 . Dave Bolland 6' 0" 181 Jun 5, 1986 22 Mimico, ON, CAN
0,675,000 . Troy Brouwer 6' 2" 213 Aug 17, 1985 23 Vancouver, BC, CAN
0,712,500 . Adam Burish 6' 1" 189 Jan 6, 1983 25 Madison, WI, USA
3,000,000 . Dustin Byfuglien 6' 3" 247 Mar 27, 1985 23 Minneapolis, MN, USA
0,600,000 . Ben Eager 6' 2" 220 Jan 22, 1984 24 Ottawa, ON, CAN
0,500,000 . Colin Fraser 6' 1" 188 Jan 28, 1985 23 Sicamous, BC, CAN
6,000,000 . Martin Havlat 6' 2" 217 Apr 19, 1981 27 Mlada Boleslav, CZE
3,725,000 . Patrick Kane 5' 10" 175 Nov 19, 1988 19 Buffalo, NY, USA
1,550,000 . Andrew Ladd 6' 2" 198 Dec 12, 1985 22 Maple Ridge, BC, CAN
3,900,000 . Patrick Sharp "A" 6' 1" 197 Dec 27, 1981 26 Thunder Bay, ON, CAN
2,800,000 . Jonathan Toews "C" 6' 2" 209 Apr 29, 1988 20 Winnipeg, MB, CAN
0,491,667 . Kris Versteeg 5' 10" 180 May 13, 1986 22 Lethbridge, AB, CAN

Forwards Subtotal: 25,400,000

Defense

2,768,587 . Cam Barker 6' 3" 213 Apr 4, 1986 22 Winnipeg, MB, CAN
7,142,875 . Brian Campbell 6' 0" 188 May 23, 1979 29 Strathroy, ON, CAN
0,525,000 . Aaron Johnson 6' 1" 211 Apr 30, 1983 25 Port Hawkesbury, NS, CAN
1,475,000 . Duncan Keith "A" 6' 1" 194 Jul 16, 1983 25 Winnipeg, MB, CAN
3,500,000 . Brent Seabrook 6' 3" 220 Apr 20, 1985 23 Richmond, BC, CAN
2,333,333 . Brent Sopel 6' 1" 211 Jan 7, 1977 31 Calgary, AB, CAN
0,600,000 . Matt Walker 6' 3" 214 Apr 7, 1980 28 Beaverlodge, AB, CAN

Defense Subtotal: 18,344,795

Goaltenders

5,625,000 . Cristobal Huet 6' 1" 205 Sep 3, 1975 33 St-Martin-d'Hères, FRA
6,750,000 . Nikolai Khabibulin 6' 1" 209 Jan 13, 1973 35 Sverdlovsk, RUS

Goaltenders Subtotal: 12,375,000

Buyout

0,456,000 . Curtis Brown

Total: 56,575,795
Salary cap: 56,700,000
Cap room: 124,205

Injured Reserve

0,900,000 . James Wisniewski ** 6' 0" 207 Feb 21, 1984 24 Canton, MI, USA

The bottom line is they have no room whatsoever, even worse than the tight squeeze in which the Caps put themselves. Both teams are using their LTIR exemptions.

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11-17-2008, 11:29 AM
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The more I think about this, the harder it is for me to believe Chicago is seriously interested in this deal at all. They're 3rd in the NHL in goals per game. Bulin is badly outplaying Huet so far. They've endured some defensive inconsistency that has caused them to shuffle their lineup.

Now we're suggesting that Chicago will trade their better goalie, in order to free up cap space in order to acquire an expensive aging scoring-line center? And people think they will be interested in trading a young defender who has helped bring stability to the blueline in order to get that un-needed offensive upgrade?

Seems like wishful thinking and one-way interest.

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11-17-2008, 11:39 AM
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The more I think about this, the harder it is for me to believe Chicago is seriously interested in this deal at all. They're 3rd in the NHL in goals per game. Bulin is badly outplaying Huet so far. They've endured some defensive inconsistency that has caused them to shuffle their lineup.

Now we're suggesting that Chicago will trade their better goalie, in order to free up cap space in order to acquire an expensive aging scoring-line center? And people think they will be interested in trading a young defender who has helped bring stability to the blueline in order to get that un-needed offensive upgrade?

Seems like wishful thinking and one-way interest.
They have a big hole at 2nd line center and their oldest skater is 31 -and he's more of a journeyman than a respected veteran.

They may be playing well, but they also may want to address their weaknesses. They're in a situation like us, we're playing ok, but we have major roster problems that we can't do anything about without moving salary first.

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The more I think about this, the harder it is for me to believe Chicago is seriously interested in this deal at all. They're 3rd in the NHL in goals per game. Bulin is badly outplaying Huet so far. They've endured some defensive inconsistency that has caused them to shuffle their lineup.

Now we're suggesting that Chicago will trade their better goalie, in order to free up cap space in order to acquire an expensive aging scoring-line center? And people think they will be interested in trading a young defender who has helped bring stability to the blueline in order to get that un-needed offensive upgrade?

Seems like wishful thinking and one-way interest.
Both teams are playing pretty well. I think if one teams starts to hit the skids in a big way or there is a rash of serious injuries you might see a move in order to shake things up.

Until then I think the trading deadline is really the more likely time to see movement. Thats when the non-playoffs teams are established and the contenders look to solidify their playoff run.

But then again if Nylander continues to look disinterested m receives minimal minutes, terrible linemates and continues to receive healthy scratches maybe he gets the boot.

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11-17-2008, 11:51 AM
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Both teams are playing pretty well. I think if one teams starts to hit the skids in a big way or there is a rash of serious injuries you might see a move in order to shake things up.

Until then I think the trading deadline is really the more likely time to see movement. Thats when the non-playoffs teams are established and the contenders look to solidify their playoff run.

But then again if Nylander continues to look disinterested m receives minimal minutes, terrible linemates and continues to receive healthy scratches maybe he gets the boot.
Agree 100%. If the circumstances change, then maybe the deal makes some sense from both sides. Right now, I just don't see it. If I'm Chicago, I'm sitting on both goalies until I can be sure that Huet can carry the load this season or my hand is otherwise forced. The Hawks are playing well enough currently composed to not be desperate for a veteran center. If such a player is important for the stretch run and Huet has played well enough to be a #1, then you trade Bulin in February. But not in November.

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Seems like wishful thinking and one-way interest.
It is interesting that the rumors shifted from Chicago being interested in Nylander earlier in the season--and making a couple of offers--to Washington making an offer and trying to close on a deal.

You'd think there would be more urgency from Washington at this point but it still seems as though Chicago would like to add a veteran center so that they could shift Sharp back to wing. They're in for a dogfight in the West either way and while they're scoring, they've also gone winless in their last three games (all at home). Now they're off on a six-game road trip without banking as many points as they would've liked beforehand.

Given both team's cap situations it's tough to see a deal ironed out without Chicago first moving Khabibulin or someone else like Sopel. But I can see the logic in acquiring Nylander now rather than the deadline since he's going to need some time to build chemistry.

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There is always the Sundin factor. Let's say they move Khabibulin...but instead of taking on the Nylander deal...they throw money at Sundin.

I don't see him going there....but who knows.

I just know that the market is limited for Nylander...and waiting til the deadline is pretty risky the way he's playing.

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Sundin turned down $10m in places. You think he'll sign in Chicago for around 5 or 6?

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Also...to the goalie situation. It may not be as cut and dry as it looks on the surface.

We saw last year that a goalie controversy can be a test...and that was just for 20 odd games. That situation could well head to a blow up and you really don't want that to happen to a young team with a 20 year old captain. If a blow up is inevitable, they have no choice but to move Khabibulin. They've committed to Huet for the next 4 years and that contract is untradeable.

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Sundin turned down $10m in places. You think he'll sign in Chicago for around 5 or 6?
Well since he'd only be playing at most half a season....yeah...5 or 6 sounds about right.

But I don't see him picking Chicago anyways...I was just throwing it out there as a possible ploy for the Hawks filling that veteran center void.

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Looking at the IB numbers posted by Drake it is hard to see where the "extra" $2mil would come from without a bulin trade.

Barker is 2.768. There are no other single players that make about 2 mil that make sense. They won't trade sopel and barker together, but none of the forwards make around 2 mil. Ladd and Fraser add up to 2 mil-ish. Ladd plus any number of others would add up to the right ballpark. Without ladd you have to have 3 players other than barker coming back.

I don't think GMGM would want to add that many players to the current roster (including hershey). It just doesn't make much sense. Maybe Ladd and someone else. Ladd looks to be getting 4th line duties at between 10 and 13 minutes a night, but he does have 7pts and a + 5 in 16 games.

Anyway, it just looks like the numbers can't work without chicago dumping khabby somewhere. They would just have to move too many bodies to get nylander for the money to offset.

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Also...to the goalie situation. It may not be as cut and dry as it looks on the surface.

We saw last year that a goalie controversy can be a test...and that was just for 20 odd games. That situation could well head to a blow up and you really don't want that to happen to a young team with a 20 year old captain. If a blow up is inevitable, they have no choice but to move Khabibulin. They've committed to Huet for the next 4 years and that contract is untradeable.
True. But the big difference was that the Caps were thrown into a controversy out of the blue. One minute there was the status quo, and the next we had pulled off a shock trade. The Hawks have had months to prepare for the obvious 'issues' that could arise between two guys being paid #1 money and hoping for #1 ice time. Doesn't mean it can't become corrosive, but it's got to be less likely. And Khabibulin couldn't possibly be as provincial about his #1 status in Chicago as Kolzig was here (given Olie's tenure and esteem in the organization). Plus, Huet has never really been a true #1 in terms of games played, and Khabibulin has only had over 50 starts once in the past 3 seasons.

Until we hear something about problems, I have to think Tallon is going to sit on this for a while.

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Rumors or not, I think it's still assuming a lot to say GMGM is shopping Nylander. I wouldn't be comfortable making any of these trades as GM given our long term situation. We are going to need to replace Fedorov in two years minimum.

Ideally, I'd see Clark benched and replaced with Bourque. That's obviously not going to happen for several reasons, but if it did, I'm almost positive Nylander would suddenly look better. I'm thinking this is going to be a whole season of "if we could only... if we could only..." in terms of roster decisions, and the team is going to have several stretches where they suffer because of personnel issues.

I'm still hopeful Boudreau can snap Nylander out of whatever's happened to him the past couple of games. Hopefully Jagr didn't rub off on him too much.

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Chicago is doing very nicely by recent Blackhawks standards, but they aren't going to win their division and are therefore likely to be in a dogfight for the last playoff spots all season long. For example, right now there is a four-way tie for 6th/7th/8th/9th in the west. Chicago is in the middle of that fight.

I don't expect the Blackhawks to be comfortable at any point in the season, and veteran second-line center remains an area of need.

Defense? There is room to deal from strength in quality youth there, and not hurt the club in the here and now; just arguably, hurting them in future.

Goal? They probably do not want to give up Khabibulin, who is playing very well, and rely on Huet, who isn't terrible but who is also not inspiring confidence. Right now, Chicago feels lucky to still have Khabibulin.

If they can solve their center problem and still retain both goalies until they are confident in the one they are prepared to keep, I think that would be the Chicago preference. Would they give up youth to do it? Maybe so.

Still, it's the cap concerns of both clubs that makes figuring out a trade so problematic. The money needs to even out nearly exactly, unless there is a third party involved, or a separate trade in which the Caps or Blackhawks obtain cap space.

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