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Hockey Canada has shown its stripes in the past 12 months with this case, and one in London, ON around the new year. The World UNder-17 Hockey Challenge was held in and around London, and kids from the area sold some things and were invited to skate on the ice during intermissions of games. Some of the kids turned out to be from Red Circle Hockey, an organization that markets itself as giving the equal chance to play regardless of ability. It has been around for many years, and I know a few people who have put their kids in that as opposed to London Minor hockey.
Given that Red Circle is not sanctioned by Hockey Canada, the kids were told that they could not participate, as it was an "insurance issue." How a person who went onto the ice for a shooting game between periods is not an insurance issue, but a kid who happens to play his regular hockey for Red Circle, but is on the ice to skate during the intermission of that same event is, was never fully explained.
Hockey Canada is trying to flex its muscle. Like most sports "governing bodies", it has a brand, a monopoly, and most importantly, a revenue stream of players' dues to protect. There is uprising in the Canadian Soccer community to have the CSA torn apart, maybe disbanded and starting over due to many of the practices and decisions. This has been brought about by the lack of positive results in international play on the senior level. Given the cultural significance of hockey, the Canadian National teams will never reach that level, but something tells me a full rip down of Hockey Canada would turn over more than a few skeletons many people would rather keep hidden.
Hockey Canada has shown its stripes in the past 12 months with this case, and one in London, ON around the new year. The World UNder-17 Hockey Challenge was held in and around London, and kids from the area sold some things and were invited to skate on the ice during intermissions of games. Some of the kids turned out to be from Red Circle Hockey, an organization that markets itself as giving the equal chance to play regardless of ability. It has been around for many years, and I know a few people who have put their kids in that as opposed to London Minor hockey.
Given that Red Circle is not sanctioned by Hockey Canada, the kids were told that they could not participate, as it was an "insurance issue." How a person who went onto the ice for a shooting game between periods is not an insurance issue, but a kid who happens to play his regular hockey for Red Circle, but is on the ice to skate during the intermission of that same event is, was never fully explained.
Hockey Canada is trying to flex its muscle. Like most sports "governing bodies", it has a brand, a monopoly, and most importantly, a revenue stream of players' dues to protect. There is uprising in the Canadian Soccer community to have the CSA torn apart, maybe disbanded and starting over due to many of the practices and decisions. This has been brought about by the lack of positive results in international play on the senior level. Given the cultural significance of hockey, the Canadian National teams will never reach that level, but something tells me a full rip down of Hockey Canada would turn over more than a few skeletons many people would rather keep hidden.
What exactly did Mrs. Van Asten expect? Had she asked anybody from the GTHL or Hockey Canada they would have told her.
So I guess she would have expected the GMHL folks or the Bradford Rattlers to tell her: 'hey if your son comes and plays for us he won't be able to play under Hockey Canad anymore'. So they're at least as much at fault as Hockey Canada.
It's like with everything in life, you need to educate yourself and research things or you will be taken advantage off.
What exactly did Mrs. Van Asten expect? Had she asked anybody from the GTHL or Hockey Canada they would have told her.
So I guess she would have expected the GMHL folks or the Bradford Rattlers to tell her: 'hey if your son comes and plays for us he won't be able to play under Hockey Canad anymore'. So they're at least as much at fault as Hockey Canada.
It's like with everything in life, you need to educate yourself and research things or you will be taken advantage off.
Why would she ask if she didn't even know about it?
Why would she ask if she didn't even know about it?
So Hockey Canada should know that this kid is going to an outlaw league and contact him? IMHO it should have been the outlaw league that should have told him that.
Btw. there are a number of things that just don't add up in this article IMHO. If the kid has a hard time making a AAA team in the GTHL or surrounding areas he ain't going to the OHL. Also by the time your kid is 14 years old you know how things work in minor hockey and that tryouts mean nothing in the GTHL.
So Hockey Canada should know that this kid is going to an outlaw league and contact him? IMHO it should have been the outlaw league that should have told him that.
Btw. there are a number of things that just don't add up in this article IMHO. If the kid has a hard time making a AAA team in the GTHL or surrounding areas he ain't going to the OHL. Also by the time your kid is 14 years old you know how things work in minor hockey and that tryouts mean nothing in the GTHL.
You would think they would contact all hockey players and tell them. Or send a letter or bulletin or announcement of some kind.
You don't change rules without telling people about them.
You would think they would contact all hockey players and tell them. Or send a letter or bulletin or announcement of some kind.
You don't change rules without telling people about them.
But how could they contact this kid as he no longer plays for a Hockey Canada sanctioned league/team? As far as they know he might have just quit hockey.
The rules changes were posted on the Hockey Canada website along with the affiliated leagues such as the GTHL, OMHA etc.
But how could they contact this kid as he no longer plays for a Hockey Canada sanctioned league/team? As far as they know he might have just quit hockey.
The rules changes were posted on the Hockey Canada website along with the affiliated leagues such as the GTHL, OMHA etc.
But your whole point was she should have known this BEFORE having her child join the team.
If the rule was put in place after she made the switch how is she supposed to know?
What exactly did Mrs. Van Asten expect? Had she asked anybody from the GTHL or Hockey Canada they would have told her.
So I guess she would have expected the GMHL folks or the Bradford Rattlers to tell her: 'hey if your son comes and plays for us he won't be able to play under Hockey Canad anymore'. So they're at least as much at fault as Hockey Canada.
It's like with everything in life, you need to educate yourself and research things or you will be taken advantage off.
Regardless of who could have informed them it's Hockey Canada's rule and Hockey Canada's strict enforcement of it.
Can you explain why Hockey Canada should have the right to exclude them in any case?
If Walmart came out with a rule forbidding Canadian Tire customers from entering their store, I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.
Would you say Canadian Tire was at fault if they didn't inform their customers or potential customers of Walmart's new rule?
In all seriousness I totally understand why Hockey Canada might like to be able to do this (and apparently they are able to do this).
But I don't understand how they justify it and why they are allowed to. Could they exclude anyone who plays organized soccer? Ball Hockey?
I agree taking it out on the kids is the right idea.But as i said some of the leagues are shaddy.Thhere are aslo some real good leagues.
Shoddy or not, what should it matter to them? I could see if it was an illegal activity, or if a player was suspended in one league another league honouring the suspension.
Why should they police what you do in your spare time, your spare time away from Hockey Canada, even if it is, God forbid, playing hockey?
Shoddy or not, what should it matter to them? I could see if it was an illegal activity, or if a player was suspended in one league another league honouring the suspension.
Why should they police what you do in your spare time, your spare time away from Hockey Canada, even if it is, God forbid, playing hockey?
Then what should they do.Just to add the greater metro league and the western league are good leagues.
Crosbyfan's post and the related discussion are pretty clsoe to my feelings on the matter.
"Outlaw" leagues is a bit of a misnomer. I don't know anyone here who considers Red Circle to be shady. Sounds like the other two leagues are pretty good as well.
It is shaping up that most of the so-called "Outlaw" leagues are "outlaws" in the sense that they are not paying their money to Hockey Canada, and not some other legitimate reason(lack of officials, insurance, child abuse, etc.).
Then what should they do.Just to add the greater metro league and the western league are good leagues.
Offer and promote hockey and the best, safest and most affordable service mix they can. Where they cannot, allow others to provide it, perhaps assisting where they see fit.
Offer and promote hockey and the best, safest and most affordable service mix they can. Where they cannot, allow others to provide it, perhaps assisting where they see fit.
Crosbyfan's post and the related discussion are pretty clsoe to my feelings on the matter.
"Outlaw" leagues is a bit of a misnomer. I don't know anyone here who considers Red Circle to be shady. Sounds like the other two leagues are pretty good as well.
It is shaping up that most of the so-called "Outlaw" leagues are "outlaws" in the sense that they are not paying their money to Hockey Canada, and not some other legitimate reason(lack of officials, insurance, child abuse, etc.).
No i am not talking about red circle or the 2 western leagues there likely the best in canada.
I read a bit more into it. They define "outlaw" as anyone outside of Hockey Canada in competition for their membership and resources.
They should have concern with the competition. I just don't understand the Draconian measures (there are sanctions on the table against communities and rinks that rent icetime to rival leagues) and I'm not even sure they are legal.
I read a bit more into it. They define "outlaw" as anyone outside of Hockey Canada in competition for their membership and resources.
They should have concern with the competition. I just don't understand the Draconian measures (there are sanctions on the table against communities and rinks that rent icetime to rival leagues) and I'm not even sure they are legal.
Is this what we want Hockey Canada to do?
Protect us from ourselves?
I think a deal is needed hockey canada and red circle as well as the 2 others western leagues.Where hockey canada will not left all sanctions.While the 3 leagues in question will have to agree to certain rules as well.These 3 leagues the red circle and 2 western leagues are good but they have been other leagues in the past that have done things that can be seen as shaddy.
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