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11-21-2008, 09:18 PM
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The Good, the Bad, and the Miller

With the caveat that I missed the last 10 minutes or so...

Good-
-I liked the defense tonight. Bad bounce on the breakaway, went off a Buffalo defender right to the guy out of the box.
-I liked Roy's play. I'd call it Roy's best game of the season, and his line looked dangerous all night.
-Mancari looked nervous to me, but acquitted himself well. Drew a few penalties, got a good scoring chance, no major gaffes.
-Biron was great.

Bad-
-The whole team looked scared and tenative tonight. Like they were afraid of the major mistake (but ended up making it anyway at the end of the game). They started to pick up the play more as the game went on but by then Biron was really on his game.

Ugly-
Miller. I'm pinning this loss on him. Sure he only had 2 GA but they were on the only two dangerous chances I remember him facing. With the kind of game Buffalo wants to play they are not going to get a lot of chances to score and they won't score as much...but on the other hand they won't give up a lot of chances to the other team either. Miller has to come up big and make the save when those chances arise. He looked horrible on the first, went down like a clubbed seal about 5 minutes too early. Classic Miller on the second, went down too early again with the puck over his shoulder. I say start Lalime next game and ride him if he looks good.

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If the chances were buried, this game wouldn't have been a contest.


Blaming this loss on Miller is borderline lunacy.

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11-21-2008, 09:26 PM
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Good:

- Vanek: I'm still amazed at how hard this guy works compared to past seasons.
- Roy: He looked a lot better tonight.
- Pominville: Lots of chances.
- Gaustad: More physical than I've seen in a while.
- Mancari: Created chances.
- Lydman: Solid.
- Sekera: Made some smart plays with the puck.

Bad:

- Stafford: I think his play still stinks. Just because he created chances doesn't mean that losing battles and crappy play along the boards is acceptable.
- Miller: He didn't help his team tonight. Not exactly his fault though.
- Paille & Hecht: Did they play?

Ugly:

The 2008-2009 Buffalo Sabres

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11-21-2008, 09:28 PM
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If the chances were buried, this game wouldn't have been a contest.


Blaming this loss on Miller is borderline lunacy.
Call me a lunatic but I'd blame Miller more for this loss than for the Boston game. In that one the D was piss-poor. But in this game it was so frustrating to see the defense actually playing well, limiting the other team's chances and then on the two decent chances the other team gets, they score.

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11-21-2008, 09:37 PM
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How can Miller be blamed for a loss when the team didn't score any goals?

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11-21-2008, 09:41 PM
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I'm not going to blame Miller on this one. Too many chances tonight with nothing at all getting buried. This was a game that we "could-a should-a" won, but didn't. Roy looked much improved. Mancari played OK.

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11-21-2008, 09:47 PM
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How can Miller be blamed for a loss when the team didn't score any goals?
I was going to say something along the lines of this.

Regardless of how "soft" the goals that Miller allowed were. You can't blame the goalie for the loss in a close game in which you were shutout. If Miller played like a beast tonight, AT BEST, this is a 0-0 tie into OT.

Say what you will about the goals he allowed, but you can't full out blame the guy for a loss in a game in which his team scored zero goals.

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11-21-2008, 09:50 PM
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some quick observations:

The only (real) good tonight was Toni Lydman.

Sorry folks, not impressed with our defense tonight. These guys -- not Lydman -- are not physical at all, which is forgivable if they can generate some offense, which they can't.

Roy/Staff/Mac were okay. Some good chances, but some real, Maxesque moments involving lazy passes and attempting to skate through 4 Flyers. But still, no goals.

Speaking of which, can anybody not named Vanek score around here?

Without Max, we look slow out there.

Who gets benched next? And more importantly, does it matter?

I mean, did benching Max and Hank really produce the desired results?

Is Ruff being forced to rearrange the deck chairs while the ship sinks?

Does Regier see the writing on the wall, 1/4 of the way into the season, or is he satisfied with his "core?"

The bottom line: we played a cautious, tentative game tonight. We played not to lose, which is always a sure recipe for defeat.

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11-21-2008, 10:08 PM
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I was going to say something along the lines of this.

Regardless of how "soft" the goals that Miller allowed were. You can't blame the goalie for the loss in a close game in which you were shutout. If Miller played like a beast tonight, AT BEST, this is a 0-0 tie into OT.

Say what you will about the goals he allowed, but you can't full out blame the guy for a loss in a game in which his team scored zero goals.
This.

Miller certainly wasn't good, but I never expect a goaltender to get a shutout. I do expect my offense to score 2-3 goals minimum each game, and I don't think that's unrealistic. While this wasn't like Miller standing on his head, getting an unfortunate break, and losing, it wasn't him that blew this game. The Sabres had plenty of chances to win this one for him, and the offense blew it.

It's not Miller's fault the team didn't score 5-on-3. Or the second time they had a 5-on-3. Or any of the PP chances

It's not Miller's fault that Vanek blew his breakaway. Or that Stafford missed the net not once, not twice, but three times. The number of blown chances the offense had was way more than the number of goals Miller let in. If they score on 25% of those quality chances, this game is at minimum tied.

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11-21-2008, 10:16 PM
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. Roy looked better
. I liked Stafford's play. Even if he did miss a gimme feed from Roy.
. Mancari didn't do much but he did draw some penalties. He definitely was a bit uncomfortable on where he should be sometimes, but with some experience that'll disappear.
. I didn't notice anything bad about Paetsch.. so that's good.
. Biron got lucky, but also some help from his team collapsing like crazy to clog the front of the net.
. Goose was hitting again!
. The Poon King was watching the game from a table on the 200-level behind me. He's a fine looking fellow.

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11-21-2008, 10:32 PM
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The Poon King was watching the game from a table on the 200-level behind me. He's a fine looking fellow.
Was he alone?

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11-21-2008, 10:33 PM
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Was he alone?
Had a guy with him. Definitely not a body guard though.

HMMM...

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Had a guy with him. Definitely not a body guard though.

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Is this team unfixable? I know it's pessimistic, but it seems like we would need a lot of moves to fix our problems.

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If Regier isn't in on the Sundin sweepstakes, i feel like Sabres will just play out the season and trade off impending UFAs at the deadline and just call it a "another lost season".

If Regier isn't even trying to land a quality Center with no compensation other than salary, If shows me that Drury was totally right, "the Sabres aren't committed to winning."

Relying on Mr Fing Glass was a joke we have been weak up the middle and on faceoffs all season. Roy, Gaustad, Hecht, Mair is not the Centers i would rely on to get me to the playoffs.

I knew this long losing streak was coming. I even said as much when the team was "stealing" games.

The problem is the Sabres are overrating their talent. putting guys who aren't what we thought they were on crucial positions to replace failed free Agent loses in the past 3 years.

Roy is no Briere.
Gaustad is no Grier.
Kotalik is no Dumont.
Connolly is no Drury.
Sekara isn't Campbell yet.

Vanek and Pominville are the only 2 on this team i feel are worthy of the praise they were given. Even then, It took a GM from Alberta to make sure we didn't lose one of them in the next few years.

Sabres could wind up in the lottery by the end of the season. Unfortunately Ruff is too good of a coach and will make these bums work so we'll end up with another 13-16 pick when the team could really use a 3-7 pick which landed us a Vanek in the first place.

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11-21-2008, 10:47 PM
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i thought paestch was solid. he made some nice simple plays out of the zone and he didn't hurt the team, if i was lindy I'd give him another shot tomorrow.

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Sabres could wind up in the lottery by the end of the season. Unfortunately Ruff is too good of a coach and will make these bums work so we'll end up with another 13-16 pick when the team could really use a 3-7 pick which landed us a Vanek in the first place.
I'm not so sure about the Sundin comment, but this selection is exactly what I've been predicting/fearing.

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I'm not so sure about the Sundin comment, but this selection is exactly what I've been predicting/fearing.
We are too inconsistent to lose consistently.

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Didn't think we played horribly..

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The only thing I could think of on both of Stafford's misses was "How the **** do you miss that???" Better game from him overall, but seriously...how the **** did he miss those??

Mancari was solid when the game was in open ice, but the guy has no clue what it takes to win battles along the boards. He's so bad at protecting the puck with his body and feet that it's painful.


Games like these will happen when the Sabres only really have two scoring lines. I don't expect much of any offense out of Paille-Gaustad-Mancari.

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I want a callup of Kennedy and Gerbe.

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i thought paestch was solid. he made some nice simple plays out of the zone and he didn't hurt the team, if i was lindy I'd give him another shot tomorrow.
Except for a bad pass that got stolen and nearly put in the net, if Miller hadn't gloved it.

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If the chances were buried, this game wouldn't have been a contest.


Blaming this loss on Miller is borderline lunacy.
Agreed. If Miller let in 2 goals every game we would win the conference. I'm finding it more difficult to enjoy this squad. They play soft and indifferent. Team needs a fundamental change and personel to match. Blow up most of this squad and try a different model.

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What happened to the team that could pass?

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What happened to the team that could pass?
I'll take "Tallinder's transition game regressed and Campbell is gone?," for $100 Alex

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