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09-12-2013, 12:54 PM
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NHL players prime age/seasoning of our prospects

Was reading these (http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...-game-peak-age and http://fromtherink.sbnprivate.com/20...yers-prime-age) articles about NHL players prime/ peak ages and looking threw our current roster it seems pretty true that 24-30 are prime ages with most peaks at 25-26. But those guys had played 3-4 seasons before they got into that.

So do we think that we could be wasting our players prime/peak ages by "seasoning" them for too long? Just looking at Nyquist he's 24 now with 40 NHL games and will probably start on the 3rd/4th line this year. Other teams have seemed to have success with bringing younger guys in and giving them roles, why not the wings?

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yes, I believe we're handling our prospects incorrectly.

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We're handling them incorrectly. And that's the organization's fault.

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Another question: if both Tatar and Nyquist earn top 9 roles this season will we still consider it to be subpar? That seems to be the real issue / breaking point right now.

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Just looking at Nyquist he's 24 now with 40 NHL games and will probably start on the 3rd/4th line this year.
Maybe B.C. (before Cleary) that was true. But this is now A.D. (After dumb***). So he's probably going to start in GR.

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Other teams have seemed to have success with bringing younger guys in and giving them roles, why not the wings?
No ****. That's how you win in a cap era. You wait for your prospects to show you that spark and you use em early while they're cheap. You surround your long-term core with them and a few veterans to fill in the holes. The young guys get mentored, the team stays under the cap. That's exactly what Chicago did. Doesn't seem to have cost them, eh? And then maybe some of those cheap young guys you identify as your new core and then you sign them long-term and the cycle repeats.

Or you could do it the Red Wings way. Have an amazing core from before the cap era. Squander their years by signing veteran after veteran for millions of dollars every year. Keep your best prospects back, even when they impress during their call ups. Go nowhere near the Cup. Watch as your core gets older and less effective.

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Another question: if both Tatar and Nyquist earn top 9 roles this season will we still consider it to be subpar? That seems to be the real issue / breaking point right now.
If both players do not play the majority of the season in the top9 this year, barring a cup win, it is a failure. We need to be getting these kids ice time and experience while we still have guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Another year off the books without those two kids learning from the two best freaking two way forwards in the game is a dismal waste. Especially when it comes because we signed too many over the hill vets for too long.

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Maybe B.C. (before Cleary) that was true. But this is now A.D. (After dumb***). So he's probably going to start in GR.



No ****. That's how you win in a cap era. You wait for your prospects to show you that spark and you use em early while they're cheap. You surround your long-term core with them and a few veterans to fill in the holes. The young guys get mentored, the team stays under the cap. That's exactly what Chicago did. Doesn't seem to have cost them, eh? And then maybe some of those cheap young guys you identify as your new core and then you sign them long-term and the cycle repeats.

Or you could do it the Red Wings way. Have an amazing core from before the cap era. Squander their years by signing veteran after veteran for millions of dollars every year. Keep your best prospects back, even when they impress during their call ups. Go nowhere near the Cup. Watch as your core gets older and less effective.

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If both players do not play the majority of the season in the top9 this year, barring a cup win, it is a failure. We need to be getting these kids ice time and experience while we still have guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Another year off the books without those two kids learning from the two best freaking two way forwards in the game is a dismal waste. Especially when it comes because we signed too many over the hill vets for too long.
Completely agree.

Most NHL prospects have to gain experience in the league before getting better. If the team keeps bringing in other vets, they won't get that experience.

I have no proof, but I'm guessing that this is one of the reasons Nill finally left.

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I agree as well.

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I think that management has swung too far in the direction of over-ripening.

I think all prospects should play in the AHL before the NHL to get them acclimated to playing vs men rather than boys but that process shouldn't last anywhere near as long as its taking with the Wings.

Players shouldn't be down in the AHL until they run out of options.

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I think that management has swung too far in the direction of over-ripening.

I think all prospects should play in the AHL before the NHL to get them acclimated to playing vs men rather than boys but that process shouldn't last anywhere near as long as its taking with the Wings.

Players shouldn't be down in the AHL until they run out of options.
Agree with this.

These guys should have legitimate shots to make the team, it didn't hurt DeKeyser very much. Lidstrom came straight in, Fischer was up while he was young. Filppula spent the one year in the AHL. The pendulum has swung too far here. Might be because they aren't good enough, but I disagree, they have guys that can play hockey at the NHL level toiling away in the AHL. It is getting inexcusable.

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Agree with this.

These guys should have legitimate shots to make the team, it didn't hurt DeKeyser very much. Lidstrom came straight in, Fischer was up while he was young. Filppula spent the one year in the AHL. The pendulum has swung too far here. Might be because they aren't good enough, but I disagree, they have guys that can play hockey at the NHL level toiling away in the AHL. It is getting inexcusable.
And to this point, Ferraro could be slotted in say, Clearly's position at a much cheaper rate. Or Glendening. Also, Sheahan is ready for 4th line duties.

In most organizations, a guy like Jurco would get a cup of coffee this year, he won't for another 2-3 years.

Remember when the Wings said they were going to see how Jarnkrok looked in camp, have a shot at a spot?

Mantha's going to be pissed when he's in junior till he's exempt, and the AHL till he's exempt because..."Drew Miller is an important part of our organization, a good locker room guy, and we found a way to get him under contract."

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