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the thing is Bouwmeester is 24, so his value in a trade is higher than Zubov or Gonchar and some of the older guys, not because he's a better player but he's a stud #1 with plenty of years left.
why would that matter when he's a rental player?
if you have a contract in place before the trade, I'd agree... but any team that is acquiring a player that is a rental, and could just walk away at the end of the year, will be worth the price of a rental to that team - basically what he can do for the team that season and that season alone!
Hossa's value wasn't higher because he was only 28 at the time of a trade.. he was still a rental. Same with Campbell - he was 28 when he was dealt as a rental, and easily still has several good years ahead of him - still his trade value was based on him being a rental asset.
If JBo is dealt at the deadline, I don't doubt the return will be huge, because he's still a top end talented player... but that return will still be based on him being a rental player. And in such cases, his age actually works against him, as he's not at the top of his game right now at 24, but a 24 YO is what the buying team will get with no longterm security attached.... not a guy who's in his prime.
if you have a contract in place before the trade, I'd agree... but any team that is acquiring a player that is a rental, and could just walk away at the end of the year, will be worth the price of a rental to that team - basically what he can do for the team that season and that season alone!
Hossa's value wasn't higher because he was only 28 at the time of a trade.. he was still a rental. Same with Campbell - he was 28 when he was dealt as a rental, and easily still has several good years ahead of him - still his trade value was based on him being a rental asset.
If JBo is dealt at the deadline, I don't doubt the return will be huge, because he's still a top end talented player... but that return will still be based on him being a rental player. And in such cases, his age actually works against him, as he's not at the top of his game right now at 24, but a 24 YO is what the buying team will get with no longterm security attached.... not a guy who's in his prime.
your assuming that he'll be a rental player, and i'm not sure that will be the case. If Florida is serious about getting value for him, they will let teams negotiate with him or a sign and trade, but you are right if he's strictly a rental then his age doesn't matter.
your assuming that he'll be a rental player, and i'm not sure that will be the case. If Florida is serious about getting value for him, they will let teams negotiate with him or a sign and trade, but you are right if he's strictly a rental then his age doesn't matter.
Florida traded Luongo to Vancouver as a one year rental. It's quite clear Luongo went back to Florida.
Probably the last couple top quality dmen traded at the deadline were
Rob Blake
Blake and Reinprecht for Deadmarsh, Miller, J.Aulin, and 2 first rounders i think (Steckel and ??)
Ray Bourque
Bourque and Andreychuk for Pahlsson, Rolston, Grenier, and a 1st.
Only difference is that Blake was 31 and Bourque was much older.
J-Bo is worth a bit more since he is younger, but the times have clearly changed since these trades took place.
Florida traded Luongo to Vancouver as a one year rental. It's quite clear Luongo went back to Florida.
1) A 1-year rental isn't really a rental, especially when the deal occurs in the offseason
2)He signed within a week of being dealt
3)Luongo was at a contractual impass with Florida, when he was dealt Keenan was saying they weren't going to give him the deal he wanted(deserved/thought he deserved) and he was out for good.
A lot of people around here talk about value as if it's some static, tangible thing. That's just not the case. It's not like being a top-10 D changes a players value all on it's own; value is a very relative thing. Especially at the deadline.
I'd argue that it almost doesn't matter how good a player is at the deadline compared to the rest of the league. What matters more is how good a player is relative to the other available players. The deadline is very much a bidding process where values are determined by who is buying and how much they're willing to give up. Like if Gonchar was available last deadline, I bet he gets the best return, and Boyle/Campbell return a little less. If those two were both available this off-season, they might net a completely different return, depending on how many teams are shopping for guys like that. It's all relative.
Nope. Aside from the big hit here and there, there's nothing really special about Phaneuf that would put him better then Jbo. Remember, the primary job of a defencemen is.....DEFENCE.
