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11-26-2008, 12:23 PM
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Jordan Staal

The CBJ could certainly use a potential 1st/2nd line center like Jordan Staal. So, Pens fans - what would they have to give up to acquire him?

Columbus players/prospects that are most likely off-limits:
Brassard, Voracek, Filatov, Nash, Mason, Tyutin

Columbus players being discussed in trades:
Everyone else...

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11-26-2008, 12:25 PM
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Those Columbus players that you put as off limits are the only ones Shero would consider for Staal.

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11-26-2008, 12:27 PM
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The CBJ could certainly use a potential 1st/2nd line center like Jordan Staal. So, Pens fans - what would they have to give up to acquire him?

Columbus players/prospects that are most likely off-limits:
Brassard, Voracek, Filatov, Nash, Mason, Tyutin

Columbus players being discussed in trades:
Everyone else...
If those players are off-limits, then so is Jordan Staal. You gotta give to get.

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This is a fresh new topic.

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The bidding starts with Voracek or Filatov.

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X, where x is more than your team is willing to pay.

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Who is Jordan Staal? Have there been proposals about him before?

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11-26-2008, 01:08 PM
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Who is Jordan Staal? Have there been proposals about him before?
I'm pretty sure he's a Russian goalie if that helps

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The CBJ could certainly use a potential 1st/2nd line center like Jordan Staal. So, Pens fans - what would they have to give up to acquire him?

Columbus players/prospects that are most likely off-limits:
Brassard, Voracek, Filatov, Nash, Mason, Tyutin

Columbus players being discussed in trades:
Everyone else...
Honestly...what ARE you preparing to offer that is not those players?

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11-26-2008, 01:14 PM
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This is a fresh new topic.

Well, at least the OP recognizes that Staal is a potential high level top six. That puts him/her one step beyond all those ridiculous "Staal is a junk third liner, here is my crap for him..." threads.

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11-26-2008, 01:18 PM
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Well, at least the OP recognizes that Staal is a potential high level top six. That puts him/her one step beyond all those ridiculous "Staal is a junk third liner, here is my crap for him..." threads.
Valid point Darth......

As for the OP, what would you see as fair return. Like others have stated, you have to give to get.....and it seems that you don't want to give any assets of value.

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I'm pretty sure he's a Russian goalie if that helps
Thanks man. What's he worth? Some low end prospects and an over the hill defenseman?

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11-26-2008, 01:32 PM
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The CBJ could certainly use a potential 1st/2nd line center like Jordan Staal. So, Pens fans - what would they have to give up to acquire him?

Columbus players/prospects that are most likely off-limits:
Brassard, Voracek, Filatov, Nash, Mason, Tyutin

Columbus players being discussed in trades:
Everyone else...
In that case Staal is off limits too. Have a nice day.

PS-Why don't you just throw Klesla and Leclaire in there too just to make sure we don't misunderstand each other.

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11-26-2008, 02:11 PM
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Honestly...what ARE you preparing to offer that is not those players?
Yeah seriously.. . And before you ask, Jared Boll for Staal is NOT a fair trade. .

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what do you think staal will sign for in the offseason? heres what you would have to match value wise based on that, cuz pittsburgh can be smart and let somebody sign him for 5 million and get much better than anyone has even tried to offer on these boards...

Offer sheet = Compensation
$660,000 or below = None
>$660,000 - $1mil = 3rd rounder
>$1 mil - $ 2 mil = 2nd rounder
>$2 mil - $ 3 mil = 1st & 3rd rounder
>$3 mil - $ 4 mil = 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounder
>$4 mil - $ 5 mil = 2-1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounder
>$5 mil = 4-1st rounders

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11-26-2008, 02:25 PM
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what do you think staal will sign for in the offseason?
I wouldn't be surprised if he singes a short term 3.5M ish contract. That way in a few years his worth will be more easily determined.

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11-26-2008, 02:28 PM
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what do you think staal will sign for in the offseason? heres what you would have to match value wise based on that, cuz pittsburgh can be smart and let somebody sign him for 5 million and get much better than anyone has even tried to offer on these boards...

Offer sheet = Compensation
$660,000 or below = None
>$660,000 - $1mil = 3rd rounder
>$1 mil - $ 2 mil = 2nd rounder
>$2 mil - $ 3 mil = 1st & 3rd rounder
>$3 mil - $ 4 mil = 1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounder
>$4 mil - $ 5 mil = 2-1st, 2nd, & 3rd rounder
>$5 mil = 4-1st rounders
I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole

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11-26-2008, 02:33 PM
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I'm actually hoping that the Penguins keep him as a 3rd line centre who gets 20+ minutes a game (as they've been doing this season). If he develops into a point-per-game player: Pittsburgh would be rolling three lines, centred by three first-line centres. For each line, you throw a decent scorer on one wing (Satan, Sykora, etc.), and a talented checker on the other (Dupuis, Talbot, Kennedy) that would be very deadly.

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11-26-2008, 02:37 PM
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He is not worth 4 1st rounders. But he does have alot of value right. So many teams need 1st or 2nd line centers, at least 12 teams need a player like Staal. If pens wanted to trade him they would get alot back.

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Yeah seriously.. . And before you ask, Jared Boll for Staal is NOT a fair trade. .
Columbus fans tend not to be like those of Toronto or Montreal so I think most of us would recognize Boll for Staal is not "fair". There was also mention of adding Klesla and LeClaire to the "off limit list". I'm not sure if that was sarcasm but they are not untouchables. Pitt wouldn't need Mason or LeClaire so I don't think they even fit the equation.

Columbus does have solid prospects besides Filatov, Voracek, Brassard and Mason. I would think a guy like Mayarov might interest the Pens and is a top 6 wing in the making. I have read that some watching our AHL affiliate feel he might have a higher ceiling than Filatov mostly due to his size.

I'm sure Columbus would easily part with their #1 pick and would think Mayorov would be a good fit for the Pens offense. There are also guys like Dorsett, Sestito or Boll that have both the sandpaper game and skill (supposedly Sestito has the hands of a 40 goal scorer but I don't personally buy it - he can fight too)

When talking about a guy like Staal I know the CBJ would love to get their hands on him but I have to believe the listed "untouchables" would be much shorter because we're likely talking about someone from that list +. Brassard is the only prospect of the young players that is off limits because he's our only legit C at this point.

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He is not worth 4 1st rounders. But he does have alot of value right. So many teams need 1st or 2nd line centers, at least 12 teams need a player like Staal. If pens wanted to trade him they would get alot back.
Agreed that he isn't worth the 4 first rounders but I also think too many posters are overvaluing him as a center. He's just not a good enough playmaker and his ice-vision is average at best. He is a very good two-player but I think his best value is at LW because he's more in line with a 3rd line center and certainly is not a no. 1 center.

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Let me summarize the probable direction of this thread...

"Staal is overrated"
"No he's not"
"Yes he is"
"No he's not...he's accomplished...in his young career...he's only 20"
"But he isn't that great offensively he will never score enough points to be a top 6 center
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I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole
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"Yes he will"
"No he won't"

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And doesn't the RFA compensation chart values change every year? I think it does.

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11-26-2008, 03:32 PM
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Let me summarize the probable direction of this thread...

"Staal is overrated"
"No he's not"
"Yes he is"
"No he's not...he's accomplished...in his young career...he's only 20"
"But he isn't that great offensively he will never score enough points to be a top 6 center "
"Yes he will"
"No he won't"

[/thread]

And doesn't the RFA compensation chart values change every year? I think it does.
The numbers are definitely higher than what was posted, that's for sure. I don't think the Sabres would have gotted four first rounders for the Vanek offer sheet had they not matched.

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I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole
Staal would'nt touch you either.

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Staal's value. To the Pens the usual we want a first line superstar winger for him..They totally overrate him. Everyone else
knows he's at best maybe a 2nd line center.

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