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04-24-2012, 07:54 AM
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Has this already been posted somewhere?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...s_coach_scout/

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04-24-2012, 09:37 AM
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Has this already been posted somewhere?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...s_coach_scout/
Oh shoot!

That is awesome.
I remember reading about his ability to find some gem's in a pile of poo.
Burrows comes to mind. But can't for the life of me remember more of the players.

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MG dropped the ball with the Hodgson trade... he should of traded for an impact player if he was going to trade young star rookie instead we got another rookie who is further behind in his development who can't even get 10 mins of ice time
Its far too early to rate that trade. I was glad that he at least reconized his team was still physically challenged. If given the oppourtunity to develop properly, I feel that Kassian will be the more complete player in 3 years time.

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04-24-2012, 04:36 PM
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Oh shoot!

That is awesome.
I remember reading about his ability to find some gem's in a pile of poo.
Burrows comes to mind. But can't for the life of me remember more of the players.
Arniel is a familiar face however, being the former coach of the Moose. I'm just not sure whether to read anything more into than what it is... an ex-coach of another team being hired as a 'scout'. Pretty sure I've heard this story before with Quenneville being hired as a 'scout' by the Hawks.

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Has this already been posted somewhere?
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...s_coach_scout/
Good move.

Knows the organization, was a terrific coach for the Moose and went into a terrible situation in Columbus with crap goaltenders.

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04-25-2012, 12:28 AM
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After 4 years, this team is still built on Nonis' foundation. Most of the core players were acquired by Nonis.

His best moves are re-signing all the players that Nonis acquired (Sedins, Luongo, Schneider, Kessler, Burrows, Bieksa, Vigneault) that eventually became the the core of the President's trophy team.

Gillis' biggest trade was the Keith Ballard acquisition which looks to be a disaster. What is really bad about this acquisition is not the performance of Ballard, but is the loss of a first rounder in 2010 in what is now turning out to be a deep draft. In 2010, the 5 picks that were selected where the Canucks would have selected were Quinton Howden, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Mark Visentin, Charlie Coyle and Emerson Etem.

So, after 4 years in charge, most of Gillis' acquisitions are periphery acquisitions, Hamuis and Samuelsson being the only two noticable positive additions of note. I simply don't think Gillis has an eye for talent as his track record over the past 4 years shows he has not built on the core that he inherited.

Does anyone else thinks that if Nonis was still the GM, Vancouver would have a Stanley cup banner by now? In hindsight, Acquillini's biggest blunder was letting Nonis go.

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04-25-2012, 12:38 AM
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Does anyone else thinks that if Nonis was still the GM, Vancouver would have a Stanley cup banner by now? In hindsight, Acquillini's biggest blunder was letting Nonis go.
uh no. the team that gillis inherited was crappy compared to the current team, and nonis had a running start going into his 3 year tenure so should have been able to turn the roster over however necessary to get the team to compete. missing playoffs in his 3rd year is a pretty big indictment.

plus, what's toronto done since he and burke got there? as the right hand man you'd expect him to have some impact there as well if he's so much better than gillis.

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04-25-2012, 02:22 AM
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The kinds of players Nonis signed don't even begin to compare to the ones Gillis has brought in. Calling them 'periphery acquisitions' just shows that this fanbase is getting spoiled, IMO.

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04-25-2012, 02:30 AM
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Does anyone else thinks that if Nonis was still the GM, Vancouver would have a Stanley cup banner by now? In hindsight, Acquillini's biggest blunder was letting Nonis go.
Not sure if serious but Nonis missed the playoffs 2 of 3 seasons and was trading away the future with any chance he could.

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04-25-2012, 02:31 AM
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The kinds of players Nonis signed don't even begin to compare to the ones Gillis has brought in. Calling them 'periphery acquisitions' just shows that this fanbase is getting spoiled, IMO.
Periphery Acquisitions are guys like Hamhuis and Samuelsson. Garbage acquisitions are like Chounard, Ritchie, Isbister, Park and the list goes on and on.

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04-25-2012, 02:33 AM
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Not sure if serious but Nonis missed the playoffs 2 of 3 seasons and was trading away the future with any chance he could.
Nonis did what Burke never could. Get us a goalie.

That said.. He was Burke light. Terrible at identifying decent support pieces.

By the end, it seemed like he didn't know what to do

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04-25-2012, 02:37 AM
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The kinds of players Nonis signed don't even begin to compare to the ones Gillis has brought in. Calling them 'periphery acquisitions' just shows that this fanbase is getting spoiled, IMO.
Thats the wrong debate for heavens sake.
Why do people keep saying "Nonis brought in bad peoples to our bottom 6!"

Nonis made a mistake that handcuffed him for the rest of his tenure.
He resigned a 40 goal point per game player to a 3 year 6mil / per contract.
That player declined rapidly and that contract prevented him from signing quality players to fill out the team.

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Not sure if serious but Nonis missed the playoffs 2 of 3 seasons and was trading away the future with any chance he could.
Lollers... Care to give an example of this?

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04-25-2012, 02:51 AM
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Periphery Acquisitions are guys like Hamhuis and Samuelsson. Garbage acquisitions are like Chounard, Ritchie, Isbister, Park and the list goes on and on.
Indeed I was referring to Gillis' guys as 'periphery acquisitions', albeit in a sarcastic manner. My bad, though, I should have been clearer.

@PuckMunchkin: As LS mentioned, we say Nonis brought in some awful acquisitions in Chouinard, Isbister, Ritchie, Cowan etc. Not to mention guys he traded 2nd and 3rd rounders for at the deadline. MG's bargain bin finds like Ebbett, Bitz, Tambellini just blow them out of the water.

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04-25-2012, 03:15 AM
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Nonis did what Burke never could. Get us a goalie.

That said.. He was Burke light. Terrible at identifying decent support pieces.

By the end, it seemed like he didn't know what to do
And Burke did what Nonis couldnt go, get us offense and attendance.

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04-25-2012, 03:23 AM
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Lollers... Care to give an example of this?
Absolutely, although I wasnt aware that this isnt common knowledge:

August 2005:
To Vancouver Canucks: Steve McCarthy
To Chicago Blackhawks: 3rd round pick in 2006

March 2006
To Vancouver Canucks : Sean Brown
To New Jersey Devils : 4th round pick in 2006

To Vancouver Canucks: Keith Carney and Juha Alen
To Anaheim Mighty Ducks : Brett Skinner and a 2nd round pick in 2006

To Vancouver Canucks : Eric Weinrich
To St. Louis Blues : Tomas Mojzis and a 3rd round pick in 2006

July 2006
To Vancouver Canucks: Taylor Pyatt
To Buffalo Sabres: 4th round pick

February 2007
To Vancouver Canucks: Brent Sopel
To Los Angeles Kings : 2nd round pick in 2007 (Wayne Simmonds)

To Vancouver Canucks : Bryan Smolinski
To Chicago Blackhawks : conditional 2nd round pick ( Akim Aliu)

June 2007: To Vancouver Canucks: Ryan Shannon
To Anaheim Ducks: Jason King and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2009

He traded away 3 - 2nd Rd Picks, 3 - 3rd Rd Picks, 2 - 4th Rd picks and we have NOTHING to show for any of those traded away.

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04-25-2012, 03:28 AM
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After 4 years, this team is still built on Nonis' foundation. Most of the core players were acquired by Nonis.

His best moves are re-signing all the players that Nonis acquired (Sedins, Luongo, Schneider, Kessler, Burrows, Bieksa, Vigneault) that eventually became the the core of the President's trophy team.

Does anyone else thinks that if Nonis was still the GM, Vancouver would have a Stanley cup banner by now? In hindsight, Acquillini's biggest blunder was letting Nonis go.


Except four of the guys you mentioned (Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa) were aquired by Burke. Does that mean somehow letting Brian freaking Burke go was a huge blunder too? Believe me Nonis wasn't the guy to do the job either.

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04-25-2012, 03:53 AM
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Anyone who doesn't think Gillis isn't the best GM in franchise history is insane.

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04-25-2012, 04:11 AM
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04-25-2012, 06:32 AM
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I applaud him for getting value for Hodgson, as it is becoming clear that he had to be moved. Sure, the bottom for Hodgson is a lot higher than it is for Kassian, but he is truly a rare prospect to have.

I think the Ballard deal is still too early to call. I really like Howden as a prospect, but we got rid of Bernier, and Grabner would have been waived regardless (blame that on AV if you have to, he wouldn't have made the team... not even Tambellini made the team).

That being said, I think Ballard will get a chance to shine next year, especially if a new coach is brought in. I also have a feeling that Edler may move (baseless speculation), so that would slot Ballard into the Top-4, somewhere where he has played comfortably before, and given the right partner, I am confident he can do it again.

I give GMMG credit for making Vancouver a destination for free agents, for treating veteran players with class on their way out, and for maximizing his non-roster budget to expand scouting and trying everything from sleep doctors to travel schedule lobbying to squeeze extra wins out of this team.

I applaud him for carving out a personal identity by not bowing to the old boys, even though unofficial embargos have been in place by the likes of Lowe and Burke and others.

He has a consistent vision and while he is blunt and aloof with the media, there at least is transparancy and no arrogance.

Sometimes though, I would wish he delay his quest of finding a power forward (Backes, then Berner, then Bitz/Mancari/Pinnizoto, now Kassian), and address other needs of the franchise that can be addressed thru the draft, like high end bottom 6 depth, and size on defense. He can afford to take some risks and draft more boom-or-bust picks given the base he has right now.

Mike Gillis realizes that he is in charge of more than a hockey team. Really, he steers the emotion and identity of Vancouver as a whole. That is something that he does not get enough credit for.

I do not agree with every move he makes, but I respect Mike Gillis as a GM, and that is all I think you can hope for when dealing with politicians.

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Great to see some old posters coming back on the board. Missed the pearls of wisdom during our two year winning streak.

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04-25-2012, 10:46 AM
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Absolutely, although I wasnt aware that this isnt common knowledge:

August 2005:
To Vancouver Canucks: Steve McCarthy
To Chicago Blackhawks: 3rd round pick in 2006
We had a second 3rd round pick in 2006.


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March 2006
To Vancouver Canucks : Sean Brown
To New Jersey Devils : 4th round pick in 2006

To Vancouver Canucks: Keith Carney and Juha Alen
To Anaheim Mighty Ducks : Brett Skinner and a 2nd round pick in 2006

To Vancouver Canucks : Eric Weinrich
To St. Louis Blues : Tomas Mojzis and a 3rd round pick in 2006
Brett Skinner & Tomas Mojzis are not really any NHL teams future.
Both never amounted to anything in the NHL and are in europe now.

We lost Jovo and Salo that year and he was desperate to fix the D corps.

We still had a 1st & 3rd in the 2006 draft.

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July 2006
To Vancouver Canucks: Taylor Pyatt
To Buffalo Sabres: 4th round pick
Pyatt had 2x 37 point seasons for us.
Not worth a 4th round pick?

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February 2007
To Vancouver Canucks: Brent Sopel
To Los Angeles Kings : 2nd round pick in 2007 (Wayne Simmonds)

To Vancouver Canucks : Bryan Smolinski
To Chicago Blackhawks : conditional 2nd round pick ( Akim Aliu)

June 2007: To Vancouver Canucks: Ryan Shannon
To Anaheim Ducks: Jason King and a conditional 3rd round pick in 2009
Jason King did have a 20 goal season last year.
In the AHL...

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He traded away 3 - 2nd Rd Picks, 3 - 3rd Rd Picks, 2 - 4th Rd picks and we have NOTHING to show for any of those traded away.
Every team that gets a rental for the playoffs and doesnt win the cup, has "NOTHING to show for any of" for what ever they traded away.
The trades dont look bad when you consider he also was able to fill the prospect cuboard whiled oing that.

edit. left in a rush..
I mean they are not great either. But its not like our prospect pool got smaller with Nonis.


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I would also argue that Nonis' drafting seemed to get worse with each year.

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Periphery Acquisitions are guys like Hamhuis and Samuelsson. Garbage acquisitions are like Chounard, Ritchie, Isbister, Park and the list goes on and on.
I'm glad you didn't include the best 4th liner in history, Tommy Santala, into that list... you would've lost a lost of credibility there.

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I would also argue that Nonis' drafting seemed to get worse with each year.
His last draft didnt really get us anything.

We are kinda derailing this thread here... :/

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His last draft didnt really get us anything.

We are kinda derailing this thread here... :/
Well it did sort of devolve into a Gillis vs. Nonis debate so there you go.

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