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I guess it depends on what your definition of "top" 5/10 dmen means.
If it means offensivley (eg. by points) then Kaberle may be top 10.
If it means defensivley, then no chance...he might even be bottom 10
If it means overall...then still no.
One impressive play and a skills competition, with no pressure from opposing players, make a guy a Top 5 defender???
At least some people were making compelling arguments, but this is not one of them.
Bottom line, anyone claiming they wouldn’t want Kaberle is lying. He’s a great defender with an even better contract. This Top 5, 10, or 15 crap doesn’t matter because it is subjective.
He's great .... but not for a potential Top 10 or Top 5 pick in this draft.
I would think that if Dallas went out and made a deal like that they would expect to make the playoffs. Dallas is not going to finish with a top 10 pick. They are good enough to turn it around and still make the playoffs. If Turco plays like he can then Dallas is a playoff team
Niedermayer is about to retire
Jovo is being complained about by coyotes fans
Gonchar and Rafalski are on the IR
Burns, Timmonen, Weber, and Green are definitely not better than kabs
Bouwmeester has not proven himself at all this season, and is actually not playing that well at all
Markov, Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Phaneuf, and Zubov are the 5 i would say are better than Kabs
making kaberle a top 10 then (i'll admit it)
but most of these layers don't do well within the offensive aspects of the game since defensive players aren't only used as strong defensive players, but in today's game have to be stronger in the offensive aspects where kaberle does have far more skill than many of your list.
This just proves you know nothing more than Leafs hockey. Kaberle couldn't hold Nieds jock strap. Who cares if he is about to retire, that is a weak argument. Yotes fans might be complaining about Jovo but his all round game is better than Kaberle's. Gonchar and Rafalski(since when) are on the IR.....this is all you can come up with? So Kaberle is better because they are currently injured....strong argument once again. Have you even watched Burns, Timonen, Weber and Green play? Bouwmeester is having an off year, I think he wants out of FLA badly and his play has shown that but you are fooling yourself if you think Bouwmeester is not as good as Kaberle.
I don't think you really know what you are talking when comparing dmen. Are you only looking at stats? Kaberle is a good offensive dman but he is average in his own end. The best dman in the league do it at both end of the ice.
Niedermayer is about to retire
Jovo is being complained about by coyotes fans Gonchar and Rafalski are on the IR
Burns, Timmonen, Weber, and Green are definitely not better than kabs
Bouwmeester has not proven himself at all this season, and is actually not playing that well at all
Markov, Lidstrom, Chara, Pronger, Phaneuf, and Zubov are the 5 i would say are better than Kabs
making kaberle a top 10 then (i'll admit it)
but most of these layers don't do well within the offensive aspects of the game since defensive players aren't only used as strong defensive players, but in today's game have to be stronger in the offensive aspects where kaberle does have far more skill than many of your list.
Rafalski is not on the IR.. He has played every game this season.. He is not better than Kaberle though..
agree with most of your list, Kaberle and Campbell are the same, great offensive talent, horrible defensively. Kabs is better than Jovanoski, and Timmonen.
Jovo might be on the same level. His stats might not be as good but Jovo plays with alot more toughness and is tougher to play against. I wouldn't say he is better than Timonen, they are also on the same level. He puts up solid offensive numbers and holds his own in the defensive end. Kabby is probably tied with these guys
Alot of people would make a case for Campbell being better as well. Campbell is a better skater and actually hit a bit (ask RJ Umberger)
Chris Pronger-Yes...hmmm... (goon) tied
Scott Niedermayer-NO
Zdeno Chara-Tied
Dion Phaneuf-Yes
Sergei Zubov-tied
Niklas Lidstrom-Yes
Brian Rafalski-No
Jay Bouwmeester-No
Brent Burns-No
Andrei Markov-Yes
Shea Weber-No
Kimmo Timonen-NO
Ed Jovanovski-No
Sergei Gonchar-No
Dan Boyle-No
Mike Green-No
Wow...according to you Chara, Zubov and Pronger are tied? Don't even want to argue with you anymore.....
I would think that if Dallas went out and made a deal like that they would expect to make the playoffs. Dallas is not going to finish with a top 10 pick. They are good enough to turn it around and still make the playoffs. If Turco plays like he can then Dallas is a playoff team
They can and should, but the fact is they are in last place in the NHL.
Well, after winning last night, they are last in the West and 3rd or 4th from last in the NHL. Still, trading a 1st round pick while in this position would be ridiculous. They should turn around their season, but there is no guarantee they will.
They can and should, but the fact is they are in last place in the NHL.
Well, after winning last night, they are last in the West and 3rd or 4th from last in the NHL. Still, trading a 1st round pick while in this position would be ridiculous. They should turn around their season, but there is no guarantee they will.
You're right, I don't think Dallas has any interest in Kaberle right now. That might change closer to the deadline and depending where Dallas is in the standings.
You're right, I don't think Dallas has any interest in Kaberle right now. That might change closer to the deadline and depending where Dallas is in the standings.
I didn't mean that. I would bet that Dallas is very interested in Kaberle right now.
Zubov is hurt, and Boucher is gone. The only veteran defender they have playing well is Stephane Robidas. Cap space isn't even an issue with Morrow on LTIR and most likely gone for the year.
They just don't have the assets to make the move. Les Jackson has said multiple times that Dallas wouldn't trade their 1st round pick. Hull said they would treat it like gold. Both of those comments came before the season started.
The chances of Dallas moving a 1st, even a late one, are slim. It could happen, but I would be surprised.
I didn't mean that. I would bet that Dallas is very interested in Kaberle right now.
Zubov is hurt, and Boucher is gone. The only veteran defender they have playing well is Stephane Robidas. Cap space isn't even an issue with Morrow on LTIR and most likely gone for the year.
They just don't have the assets to make the move. Les Jackson has said multiple times that Dallas wouldn't trade their 1st round pick. Hull said they would treat it like gold. Both of those comments came before the season started.
The chances of Dallas moving a 1st, even a late one, are slim. It could happen, but I would be surprised.
I still don't think there is that much interest in Kabby. Dallas knows they will be tooth and nail to make the playoffs and likely realize that they are not in SC contention at the moment. A move for Kabby would be a bold move and probably makes little sense for the Stars right now unless they are not going to bring back Zubov next season but thats unlikely.
I agree with you that the Stars don't have the pieces to make this deal happen without having to take a hit in the youth department. A name like James Neal really pops out at me. He is a Burke type player. Loui Eriksson is another guy I would love to have.
I stopped reading after someone said that Jovanovski is better than Kaberle ... for crying out out.
Kaberle would return a Top 10 pick every day of the week. He might not be a Top 5 d-man any more because of his relatively average play this season but he would still be the #1 guy on over half of the teams in the league.
...unexpected from a Det fan.
