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12-01-2008, 11:27 AM
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Habs shopping for defenseman?

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl081130.html

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12-01-2008, 11:32 AM
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Montreal has been reportedly shopping forward Steve Begin and defensemen Francis Bouillon

kinda counter-productive no?

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12-01-2008, 11:36 AM
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Montreal has been reportedly shopping forward Steve Begin and defensemen Francis Bouillon and Mathieu Dandenault.
I hope that would be to clear cap space because you aren't going to solve this team's defensive hole by trading any combination of these guys.

Also, they say their source is the Ottawa Sun. Chances are this is a classic Garrioch rumour.

"The Habs don't have a solid number four so they must be shopping for one. Print it!"

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12-01-2008, 11:41 AM
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Montreal has been reportedly shopping forward Steve Begin and defensemen Francis Bouillon

kinda counter-productive no?
Not really. Unless the NHL changes the rules, you can only dress six guys on the back end. Clearly, someone has to move if someone comes in.

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I hope that would be to clear cap space because you aren't going to solve this team's defensive hole by trading any combination of these guys.
Not true. Firsty, I don't think the habs are looking to trade for a top tier dman. Secondly the guys the habs are shopping are low risk as far as term of contract go, and could fit under anyone's cap, so I could see a team being interested in a ______ (one of those three names) plus a 3rd rounder for a dman that has fallen out of favour with some team.

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Not true. Firsty, I don't think the habs are looking to trade for a top tier dman. Secondly the guys the habs are shopping are low risk as far as term of contract go, and could fit under anyone's cap, so I could see a team being interested in a ______ (one of those three names) plus a 3rd rounder for a dman that has fallen out of favour with some team.
I'd imagine they'd want a 2nd pairing guy to round out the top 4 if they're going to make a trade.

Gorges has filled in the hole left by Komisarek admirably but going ahead, and eventually into the playoffs, I'm sure the team would be much more comfortable having an experienced guy take that spot and letting Gorges be an excellent 3rd pairing guy.

If they want to trade to get a 3rd pairing guy to solve the Brisebois/O'Byrne problem (that is, they don't want either in the lineup consistently), they could possibly trade Begin or Dandenault and a pick to get one but that just seems like treading water to me and not solving the bigger problem.

Trading Bouillon to get another bottom pairing guy (because I don't think he and a pick alone could get anything more), would definitely be a lateral move.

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I'm sure they are shopping for a d-man and will need one at one point, I think the longer we wait the easier it becomes as it takes less and less cap room.

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I'm sure they are shopping for a d-man and will need one at one point, I think the longer we wait the easier it becomes as it takes less and less cap room.
Except that the trade deadline approches and playoff picture develops will cause players value to skyrocket, it also leads to more hasty/compromise type situations.

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Not really. Unless the NHL changes the rules, you can only dress six guys on the back end. Clearly, someone has to move if someone comes in.
Send O'Byrne down...

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Send O'Byrne down...
OK, umm, let me also add: No defenseman who is any better than anyone on our defense will fit in under the cap unless someone who makes at least 1.5 a year is moved.

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Send O'Byrne down...
Luckily NHL GMs know better than you do and didn't do the same with Komi 4 years ago when he was having the same exact problems as OByrne is having.

And for your info, they can't send him down right now because we have Komi who is injured, and we need all our available Dmen.


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Luckily NHL GMs know better than you do and didn't do the same with Komi 4 years when he was having the same exact problems as OByrne is having.

And for your info, they can't send him down right now because we have Komi who is injured, and we need all our available Dmen.

Well, to be fair to him, that was in response to me pointing out that if we trade for a D, we should probably move a D. His solution was to keep them all and send O'Byrne down.

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OK, umm, let me also add: No defenseman who is any better than anyone on our defense will fit in under the cap unless someone who makes at least 1.5 a year is moved.
Yeah, but on the other hand, if you move Bouillon you will have Brisebois, Dandenault or O'Byrne in the lineup every game on D. I don't think that's better.

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Yeah, but on the other hand, if you move Bouillon you will have Brisebois, Dandenault or O'Byrne in the lineup every game on D. I don't think that's better.

I just threw up alittle bit in my mouth...but I'm ok now

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Yeah, but on the other hand, if you move Bouillon you will have Brisebois, Dandenault or O'Byrne in the lineup every game on D. I don't think that's better.
Markov-Komi
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switch it while Komi is still injured, which is about the same as right now, with dandy as the spare, but when he does come back, we'll have a more solid D, as Gorges has been playing better than Bouillon.

Anyway, BG won't do anything until Komi is back.

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Markov-Komi
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Looks even better. You have to get rid of guys like Bégin and Dandenault even if i like them and they're playing well. Only because you can't get rid of useless BGL cause we just acquired him this summer and Gainey will look stupid if he trades him.

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Markov-Komi
Hamr-New 4th Dman
Gorges- Bouillon
Brisebois

Looks even better. You have to get rid of guys like Bégin and Dandenault even if i like them and they're playing well. Only because you can't get rid of useless BGL cause we just acquired him this summer and Gainey will look stupid if he trades him.
Now's the time to trade guys like Dandenault, Bégin and Lapierre as they're probably playing the best hockey they've played in the last 3-4 years. We would probably get a higher return then we would have this summer. Still I don't think these guys would be enough to get that 4th solide D.

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Yeah, but on the other hand, if you move Bouillon you will have Brisebois, Dandenault or O'Byrne in the lineup every game on D. I don't think that's better.
Well, the report did say Dandenault too

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Real groundbreaking, original, thought provoking journalism. Every team in the NHL is looking for help on the blueline.

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Montreal has been reportedly shopping forward Steve Begin and defensemen Francis Bouillon

kinda counter-productive no?
bouillon will stay and re-sign given the fact that obyrne plays like crap ... he is playing well , don't give me that crap about the mistake vs washington ... besides, he's a good playoff performer who can raise the bar a bit when comes the playoffs , (Its gonna hurt guys ) unlike markov.

begin, as long as he can dress, should play every flippin game .... why ? the size of his heart is something we need ... in reg season , I don't mind loosing a game or two because he elbowed someone in the face and took a dumb penalty ...

in the playoffs? its another story.

dandy? yeah maybe.

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Real groundbreaking, original, thought provoking journalism. Every team in the NHL is looking for help on the blueline.
Not really.

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Habs shopping for defenseman?

You think Bob Gainey asked O'Byrne to bring his purse?

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You think Bob Gainey asked O'Byrne to bring his purse?

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Well, to be fair to him, that was in response to me pointing out that if we trade for a D, we should probably move a D. His solution was to keep them all and send O'Byrne down.
I guarantee O'Byrne will not clear waivers , even after the scoring in his net debacle. You people do realise that O'byrne is on a 1 way contract.

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You people do realise that O'byrne is on a 1 way contract.

What does that have to do with it? (note - I don't think Hamilton is the correct option for O'byrne).

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