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I guess you haven't seen Johnny Oduya play then. The man is the number two d-man on the Devils, some nights #1. He'd be a solid top 2-4 d-man on any team in this league.
I wouldn't trade him straight up for Vermette, not a chance. Oduya makes $600,000 this year and is due for a huge raise in the summer.
Corrente isn't a question mark really. He's 20 years old, and has been close to making the team for three straight years now. Another year in the minors will do him good and he'll be a tough d-man in this league. You'll see one day soon.
I've seen Oduya play alot, i think he's seriously over rated. The only reason he is the devils #2 is that other than Martin, the devils don't have any defencive threats. He isn't a bad defencman, but isn't that impactful of a player to be top 2 pairing defencman on most teams, especially not a number 2 defencman. He would be a #4-6 pairing defencman on teams like Detroit, Montreal, Calgary, Anaheim.
A bad 20 games from Vermette doesn't take away all his value, he's still young and only getting better. Theres still a good chance of him hitting 50 points this season once the Sens get back on track from a brudal start.
Vermette is proven in the NHL, has a steal of a contract at 2.25 mill i believe untill 2010. He is a solid two dimensional forward who plays on the PP and PK, Corrente has never made the Devils roster yet over guys like Brookbank... Vermette is one of the most creative players in the league and has a good set of hands, almost 60% on the draws playing a second line center role.
Vermette scored more goals and got more points than both Zajac and Madden last season, he has got more offensive talent than given credit for being a playmaker.
Last edited by Suitcase73: 12-02-2008 at 08:39 PM.
Gee. Vermette scoring more goals on an offensive minded team than two guys on a defense first team. I tell ya, this Vermette guy must be something special.
I've seen Oduya play alot, i think he's seriously over rated. The only reason he is the devils #2 is that other than Martin, the devils don't have any defencive threats.
Name me a better defensemen under $1M that isn't on an entry level contract.
I've seen Oduya play alot, i think he's seriously over rated. The only reason he is the devils #2 is that other than Martin, the devils don't have any defencive threats.
Gee. Vermette scoring more goals on an offensive minded team than two guys on a defense first team. I tell ya, this Vermette guy must be something special.
Vermette put up alot of those points playing on a line with guys like Chris Kelly and Chris Neil.
A players skill doesn't change depending on the team, if it does then Oduya is only good in NJ because he benefits from the trap system with one of the best goalies in the world in net...
Vermette put up alot of those points playing on a line with guys like Chris Kelly and Chris Neil.
A players skill doesn't change depending on the team, if it does then Oduya is only good in NJ because he benefits from the trap system with one of the best goalies in the world in net...
I've seen him play. I come from the same city he plays for pete's sake. I'm not impressed with him.
If you watched the Devils play nowadays, you'd notice they hardly even play the trap anymore. And even if they did, I notice a lot of teams playing the trap lately. Wonder what that reason is.
Until Vermette actually starts producing again, he's borderline valueless. He is on pace for 18 points on the season, for crying out loud! Any team that picks him up will be picking him up as a reclamation project. Until he finds his game again, his trade value is that of an 30 point two-way forward at best. His career best is 53 points and right now that's looking like it was a fluke.
Which is besides the point, because the Devils:
A. Don't need him.
B. Don't want him.
C. Need our defensemen and prospects more.
The same Colin white that was -5 last season with only 10 points, what about him? A cool picture doesn't mean hes good.
Expecting Colin White to consistently put up points would be like expecting Anton Volchenkov to do so. I cited White as a defensive threat, not an offensive one.
Corrente has put together a solid +/-, matching Eckford after his awful start. Plus he's on pace for 30+ points on the season. Giving him and a solid pick up for a player who is at best an accessory is not my idea of a good trade.
To be honest, I haven't really followed Vermette this year and I respect your opinion, so no big deal to me regarding Vermette and just fine with keeping Corrente.
Until Vermette actually starts producing again, he's borderline valueless. He is on pace for 18 points on the season, for crying out loud!
Oh please. Vermette is a young top 6 forward with lots of skill, and PK ability. Unlike the ridiculous "what have you done for me lately" mentality on hf and in this thread, GMs look past the past 20 games.
Getting a young top 6 forward for a 20 year old minor league defenseman really isn't as bad as you seem to think.
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Originally Posted by britdevil
We have Rolston, Zubrus, Madden and Zajac who are all better options anyway.
You obviously don't even know who Vermette is. Zubrus is not a top 6 player. Madden is a defensive player, not nearly as offensive minded as Vermette.
Oh please. Vermette is a young top 6 forward with lots of skill, and PK ability. Unlike the ridiculous "what have you done for me lately" mentality on hf and in this thread, GMs look past the past 20 games.
Getting a young top 6 forward for a 20 year old minor league defenseman really isn't as bad as you seem to think.
It is when you have no depth on D. The Devils don't want a second-line forward.
Gee. Vermette scoring more goals on an offensive minded team than two guys on a defense first team. I tell ya, this Vermette guy must be something special.
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Easy code monkey... Vermette is young and full of potential. OBVIOUSLY, he and the whole Sens team are going through a huge slide. But Vermette is going to be a solid 50+ point guy for a good part of the next decade. Check his career stats:
Easy code monkey... Vermette is young and full of potential. OBVIOUSLY, he and the whole Sens team are going through a huge slide. But Vermette is going to be a solid 50+ point guy for a good part of the next decade. Check his career stats:
I'm patting myself on the back for not proposing a TERRIBLE idea.
But, in my opinion, Vermette could excel in NJ. I like alot about him from what I have seen. One thing is for sure, to survive on the Devils you have to be a hard worker.... between the puck possession the Devils have and the small size of a lot of the players, you have to be strong and fast.
I just see Gio on the way out, Vermette would be cheaper and younger. He is under contract for this and next season and could be due for a raise or downgrade based on his performance.
The Devs can afford to give up Corrente... Eckford and Tedenby are waiting in the wings along with Oduya, Greene, Salmela, and Martin to round up a younger group of D men.
The Devs can afford to give up Corrente... Eckford and Tedenby are waiting in the wings along with Oduya, Greene, Salmela, and Martin to round up a younger group of D men.
Tedenby is a winger, not a D men.
And dealing for Vermette doesn't make any sense for the Devils. He wouldn't even crack our Top 6.
You obviously don't even know who Vermette is. Zubrus is not a top 6 player. Madden is a defensive player, not nearly as offensive minded as Vermette.
your so right
if Zubrus isnt a top 6, then neither is Vermette.
In the last 4 seasons (including this one)
Vermette in 262 games got 66 Goals and 64 Assists = 130 points
Zubrus in 254 games got 66 goals and 104 assist = 170 points
Zubrus also played less games
Even Madden has 119 points in the last 4 seasons, thats only an 11 point difference from Vermette.
so before you start jumping to conclusions look at the stats, speaks for itself.
your so right
if Zubrus isnt a top 6, then neither is Vermette.
In the last 4 seasons (including this one)
Vermette in 262 games got 66 Goals and 64 Assists = 130 points
Zubrus in 254 games got 66 goals and 104 assist = 170 points
Zubrus also played less games
Even Madden has 119 points in the last 4 seasons, thats only an 11 point difference from Vermette.
so before you start jumping to conclusions look at the stats, speaks for itself.
A players skill doesn't change depending on the team, if it does then Oduya is only good in NJ because he benefits from the trap system with one of the best goalies in the world in net...
Who is one of the best goalies in the world? Scott Clemmensson? Because that's who Oduya has been playing in front of recently.
The original trade was probably good valuewise, but the Devils can use Corrente much more than they could use Vermette. And Vermette for Oduya is a huge no.
your so right
if Zubrus isnt a top 6, then neither is Vermette.
In the last 4 seasons (including this one)
Vermette in 262 games got 66 Goals and 64 Assists = 130 points
Zubrus in 254 games got 66 goals and 104 assist = 170 points
Zubrus also played less games
Even Madden has 119 points in the last 4 seasons, thats only an 11 point difference from Vermette.
so before you start jumping to conclusions look at the stats, speaks for itself.
Zubrus has been in the NHL since 1996, how can you compare his 12-15 seasons with a young players first 3 full season and a lousy start to this year?
Look at Zubrus' start to his career
Season Team GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
1996-1997 Flyers 68 8 13 21 3 22 1 0 2 71 11.3
1997-1998 Flyers 69 8 25 33 29 42 1 0 5 101 7.9
1998-1999 Flyers 63 3 5 8 -5 25 0 1 0 49 6.1
1998-1999 Canadiens 17 3 5 8 -3 4 0 0 1 31 9.7
Vermette hasn't reached his full potential, he may never develop to an 80pt player but he certainly has a better up side than a player like Zubrus.
He ignores the latest years, and comes up with ******** when he first started. LOL. You're really reaching man.
Zubrus was never even used as an offensive weapon - on NJ or WSH - and he still has better numbers than Vermette. Just keep him if you're so in love with him. I would rather see Vermette stay on an Ottawa team anyway.
He ignores the latest years, and comes up with ******** when he first started. LOL. You're really reaching man.
Zubrus was never even used as an offensive weapon - on NJ or WSH - and he still has better numbers than Vermette. Just keep him if you're so in love with him. I would rather see Vermette stay on an Ottawa team anyway.
Oh, and that first season of Zubrus' on Philly? He was 18, one of the youngest players ever in the NHL. Vermette? He was 22.
Vermette is 26, not some young prospect.
Last edited by Classic Devil: 12-04-2008 at 02:48 AM.
