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04-11-2009, 01:34 PM
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There was some talk this week about the worst trade in NFL history. What about the best trade in DFW history covering all sports. I don't follow baseball very closely, but I know Mark Teixeira was a big player for the Rangers.

Was Mark Teixeira and Ron Mahay for Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Beau Jones, and Neftali Feliz the best trade in DFW history? I heard on the broadcast today that it gave the Rangers 3 starters and their current top prospect. I can't think of another traded of basically one guy that brought in 3 starters +.

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I'm going to go with a no or at least not yet. It is too early to tell how that trade will work out. It could easily turn out to be the best trade but not yet. I truly believe the Zubov trade was better and probably the Ribeiro trade. The Mavericks don't have many major trades of note that would be considered the best of DFW. The Cowboys have a fair amount of transactions but nothing as big as Zubov.

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04-11-2009, 02:01 PM
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I agree with DaStars99. It was a very good trade even if none of the players acquired from Atlanta reach their potential, if only for the simple reason the club didn't have to continue to deal with Teixeira. And the package the Rangers received was far, far greater than the package Atlanta received from the Angels for the same player (it's not even close).

Salty looks like he can play and put up pretty good numbers. Andrus appears to be a good lineup regular at worst. Harrison looks like an innings eater at worst. Feliz is one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball (I've seen anything from the second best to eighth best). And don't forget a potential LOOGY in Jones.

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04-11-2009, 02:10 PM
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That throw Andrus just made was impressive .... even if Laird was safe.

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04-11-2009, 02:13 PM
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I couldn't agree more. I saw him play in Frisco a few times last season, and he's much better in the field than he's shown already in Arlington. His problem is the routine plays, but he'll get that under control.

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04-11-2009, 02:18 PM
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Oh, and that ball makes it to the outfield easily with Young at short.

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04-11-2009, 02:30 PM
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One more chance to tie it up here in the 9th... tense game.

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04-11-2009, 02:53 PM
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ugh, they lost. at least we didn't give up 15 runs again

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04-12-2009, 07:07 PM
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talk about a bad series, Milwood had another great start but CJ Wilson lost it for the Rangers

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04-12-2009, 07:52 PM
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Why didn't Washington at least go out to talk to Wilson after he started off badly?

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04-12-2009, 09:11 PM
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CJ is a situational lefty, the sooner someone figures that out the better.

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04-13-2009, 01:56 PM
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Ceej is my favorite bit on the Rangers. I count how many pitches he delivers before the meltdown begins.

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CJ needs to work his way back into winning ballgames again. Put him out there when the team is already losing and let him earn the right to pitch in games they are winning again. He has "stuff", but his head seems to get in the way too often. He wants to be a starter so he tries to pitch like a starter instead of pitching like a setup/closing pitcher and in doing so he fails at both.

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04-13-2009, 02:47 PM
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it hurts having Benoit injured

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CJ needs to work his way back into winning ballgames again. Put him out there when the team is already losing and let him earn the right to pitch in games they are winning again. He has "stuff", but his head seems to get in the way too often. He wants to be a starter so he tries to pitch like a starter instead of pitching like a setup/closing pitcher and in doing so he fails at both.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Pitching like a starter would imply that he's using all of his pitches instead of just relying on fastball/slider. I remember CJ being his most effective when he wasn't trying to be a standard reliever, but when he was tossing in every zany pitch he could come up with. Hitters were seriously scared to face him, now they look forward to it. Without at least 2-3 more mph of velocity, his fastball is too straight to work on right handed batters. The slider works but he can't throw it for a strike.

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Last season he was tossing "zany" pitches all the time, and he wasn't exactly the type of pitcher that instilled a lot of confidence in me when I saw him warming up in the bullpen. Perhaps it was all due to arm injuries, he said he entered the season injured and played through the pain (which I thought was dumb). Regardless, he had a 6.02 ERA and 1.64 WHIP last season, not exactly lights out even with 24 saves.

I don't remember what all he was throwing in the '07 season, which was really the only decent season he's had at this point, so I will have to defer back to you on whether he was throwing gyroballs or screwballs or slurves or anything else at that time.

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Yeah, I meant the '07 season. Last year it seemed to me he started to pair down his repertoire.

Although apparently he was also throwing a cutter yesterday, which I didn't realize at first.

One other thing to keep in mind was that there was really just 1 hard hit ball, Inge's HR. The rest were mainly bad luck, bad defense.

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04-13-2009, 09:29 PM
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That throw Andrus just made was impressive .... even if Laird was safe.
That throw was awesome...his homerun was awesome. Early in the season and shows some skizills. I'm excited...Go Rangers!!

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04-13-2009, 10:24 PM
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well they just lost again 3-4 now, bummer they almost completed the comeback

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04-13-2009, 11:01 PM
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I'm disappointed by Kinsler. I'm not sure what he was thinking by running on the long fly out rather than being in position where he could have tagged over to third. He could have, and should have, gone to short at furthest which still would have made him a threat had the ball found grass.

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04-13-2009, 11:20 PM
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It's the same **** from last season. Sure, it's kind of exciting seeing a late-rally, but watching this pitching is embarassing. The Rangers have the sparest bullpen out there.

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04-13-2009, 11:32 PM
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Jennings has looked good, along with Frankie Frank.

Kinsler went back to the bag like he was expecting to have to tag up but then he must have just seen something that wasn't there because he made a break like he knew it was going over Markakis.

That double steal later in the inning was sheer idiocy though from Wash. Murphy was out and the ump missed it.

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04-13-2009, 11:43 PM
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Jennings has looked good, along with Frankie Frank.

Kinsler went back to the bag like he was expecting to have to tag up but then he must have just seen something that wasn't there because he made a break like he knew it was going over Markakis.

That double steal later in the inning was sheer idiocy though from Wash. Murphy was out and the ump missed it.
It was close, but he did get the benefit of the doubt from the ump. I didn't understand the move either.

I'm really dissapointed with Davis so far. I heard in the beginning of the year he would get in trouble for striking out a lot, but I didn't expect it to be this bad. He is ice cold so far. Hamilton hasn't been stellar either.

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04-13-2009, 11:47 PM
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Well let's hope that deep porch shot gets Davis going.

Hamilton always sucks in day-games, once the schedule stops being weird his production should come back.

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04-13-2009, 11:58 PM
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That's just it, Piqued. Let us run through the possibilities of the fly out.

1. Home run: Kinsler could have stood on the bag and rounded the bases after the ump signaled the shot.
2. Double+: Kinsler could have stopped at short, all the while knowing he has the speed to turn a great catch into a possible RBI. Since it was a double, he could have easily scored.
3. Great catch: What happened, and he could have easily tagged up and made it to third with one out and Josh Hamilton at bat.

It was a boneheaded move, and I'm not sure if it was more Kinsler than the third base coach.

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