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12-04-2008, 09:37 PM
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Ottawa - Nashville

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To Ottawa: Shea Weber, Martin Erat, OTT 3rd Round Pick in 09

To Nashville: Dany Heatley, Filip Kuba, SJ 1st Round Pick in 09 (Conditional 2nd in 2010 if Kuba leaves via free agency)
Analysis

I think I will get flamed by Weber-loving Preds fans for this and Sens fans for this cause it isn't the best time since Heatley had a great last game but I feel we will become a lot better as a balanced team

We get a possible franchise defenseman, Nashville gets a franchise forward and we swap the mid-tier players to even out the offense and defense for each team

Salaries

To OTT: Weber (4.5M) + Erat (4.5M) = 9M

To NSH: Heatley (7M) + Kuba (3M) = 10M

Reasoning

I think this trade could help even out both teams, Nashville has an amazing surplus of defense prospects and could afford to move Weber IMHO to get more scoring help, a lot more scoring help. It could also possibly bring more fans to the arena, a 50 goal scorer is a lot more exciting than a 50-60 point defenseman no matter how good he is and in Weber's case, he is that good

Ottawa does not want to end up like Tampa and have 3 superstars but have no defense, goalie and secondary scoring. This trade evens our roster out forwards and defense, which will help our chances in the playoffs.

Rosters

Martin Erat - Jason Spezza - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Mike Fisher - Jesse Winchester
Antoine Vermette - Chris Kelly - Shean Donovan
Jarkko Ruutu - Dean McAmmond - Chris Neil

Shea Weber - Chris Phillips
Anton Volchenkov - Alexandre Picard
Jason Smith - Brian Lee/Brendan Bell/Christoph Schubert

Alex Auld
Martin Gerber

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Dany Heatley - Jason Arnott - J.P Dumont
Antti Pihlstrom - David Legwand - Patric Hornqvist
Jordin Tootoo - Radek Bonk - Joel Ward
Vernon Fiddler - Scott Nichol - Jerrad Smithson

Filip Kuba - Ryan Suter
Dan Hamhuis - Greg Zanon
Greg DeVries - Ville Koistinen

Dan Ellis
Pekka Rinne

I know Heatley has a NTC and I am not sure about Erat or Weber, but this is just for fun. Is the value close? If not which team needs to add/take out? If the trade is unfair for Ottawa than maybe the picks could be thrown out of the deal but my original thought was Weber = Heatley and Kuba = Erat

It's likely a bad time since Weber is dominating right now, you can't possibly expect him to keep up this place because if he does he will get more points than Heatley (Don't worry, Heatley will start scoring soon)

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12-04-2008, 09:42 PM
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Why would either team do this?

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12-04-2008, 09:42 PM
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Dany Heatley, OTT - NMC

hes not gona wave it to come to Nashville value wise I dont think its to bad bc as you said we have alot more D in the ahl id change Kuba for Vermette will help us more

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12-04-2008, 09:43 PM
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Weber ain't going anywhere.

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12-04-2008, 09:44 PM
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NO from Ottawa. As much as i hate the sens thats just a horrible deal

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12-04-2008, 09:46 PM
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Why would either team do this?
Because Nashville is very low in scoring. So are we but Fisher and Vermette are in slumps, Neil is injured and Foligno and Winchester haven't gotten the points on the board just yet. We wouldn't lose much offense in this deal because I think by getting a guy like Weber our forwards will get the puck from our defense for once and we might actually get out of our zone

Balanced teams win cups, and unless we can nab Bouwmeester or Kaberle at the blueline we won't have a chance at the cup no matter how good Auld plays

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12-04-2008, 09:47 PM
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Dany Heatley, OTT - NMC

hes not gona wave it to come to Nashville value wise I dont think its to bad bc as you said we have alot more D in the ahl id change Kuba for Vermette will help us more
Notice at the bottom of the proposal:

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I know Heatley has a NTC and I am not sure about Erat or Weber, but this is just for fun

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12-04-2008, 09:47 PM
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Weber is untouchable

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12-04-2008, 09:50 PM
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Because Nashville is very low in scoring. So are we but Fisher and Vermette are in slumps, Neil is injured and Foligno and Winchester haven't gotten the points on the board just yet.
Nothing like shaking up your secondary scoring by dismantling your primary scoring.

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12-04-2008, 09:59 PM
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In short, no.

In long, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooo.

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12-04-2008, 10:05 PM
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Why do the Sens give up a 1st and the Preds only a 3rd? Heatley has proven more and is locked up longer.

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12-04-2008, 10:12 PM
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Statistical wise Heatley is the 4th best player in the league since the lockout... And the 2nd best goal scorer..

so...

no...

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12-04-2008, 10:18 PM
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Weber is untouchable for Nashville, and Heatley is untouchable for Ottawa. I feel that the Sens give up more in this deal, but neither team would do it anyway.

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12-04-2008, 10:20 PM
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Why do Sens fans keep posting trade offers including Heatley? Just stop.

No from almost all Ottawa fans without Spezza in their hfboard name.

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12-04-2008, 10:39 PM
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Jeez where is Fuhr when you need him? Balanced teams win cups

2008: Detroit (Zetterberg and Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Rafalski)
2007: Anaheim (Getzlaf and Selanne, Pronger and Niedermyer)

Why did they dominate the finals where teams like Ottawa and Pittsburgh strugelled? Defense, defense, defense. Ottawa and Pittsburgh both had a better offense than their respective teams IMO but Anaheim and Detroit's defense was better and that was the difference between an Anaheim and an Ottawa - defense

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Why do Sens fans keep posting trade offers including Heatley? Just stop.

No from almost all Ottawa fans without Spezza in their hfboard name.
The only reason Heatley doesn't have a bunch of trade proposal's is because of his NTC, if he didn't he would be in almost as many proposals as Spezza

Spezza has out-performed him this year except for last night's game

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12-04-2008, 10:48 PM
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The only reason Heatley doesn't have a bunch of trade proposal's is because of his NTC, if he didn't he would be in almost as many proposals as Spezza

Spezza has out-performed him this year except for last night's game
There have been a reasonable amount of Heatley proposals, normally coming from other teams wanting to "help us out". Spezza proposals come from both sides. Neither player should be moved, especially for Weber (who I like, but you are giving up way too much IMO). Keep Spezza. Keep Heatley. Move other parts, picks, prospects to improve the areas that need improving, like #4, 5, 6 up front and our D. Just don't hurt our top line by improving in those other areas.

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12-04-2008, 10:53 PM
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Nothing like shaking up your secondary scoring by dismantling your primary scoring.
QFT. Just an insane proposal. We need a PMD, so let's trade one (Corvo and then Meszaros) and watch the fans go nuts afterwards that we need one again. It worked before, so -> We need more scoring so let's... trade our best scorer and see what might happen...

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12-04-2008, 10:57 PM
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The only reason Heatley doesn't have a bunch of trade proposal's is because of his NTC, if he didn't he would be in almost as many proposals as Spezza

Spezza has out-performed him this year except for last night's game

I'm not sure what games you've been watching, but Spezza has not outperformed Heatley. Heatley has easily been better than Spezza this season.

As for the trade proposal, as others have mentioned, neither team would make this trade. Both are core players on their teams, and to acquire either one would require a massive overpayment.

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12-04-2008, 11:12 PM
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Not only does Nashville lose arguably this season's best defenseman in the league, they lose one of their best forwards that just signed a six year deal.

Weber for Heatley is the centerpiece...I'd have a hard time doing that in itself, but Erat and picks for a lot of "future" pieces and Kuba...it just doesn't do much for me

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12-05-2008, 12:47 AM
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Ok, originally, I came in here thinking this was a poor deal for the Sens, call me biased haha. I did some number crunching (production, player value, contracts expiring, estimated resigning, some risk/variability stuff), thought about and I realized this is a fair deal for both teams. However, taking non-quantitative things into account, ie: NMC and team situation and such, there's no way this will ever happen.

Good value though, but I think the 1st and conditional 2nd for the 3rd is unneeded, I'd just make it a conditional 1st if Kuba doesn't resign, period.

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12-05-2008, 07:51 AM
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how about a Vermette for Hamhuis?

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12-05-2008, 07:55 AM
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Analysis

I think I will get flamed by Weber-loving Preds fans for this and Sens fans for this cause it isn't the best time since Heatley had a great last game but I feel we will become a lot better as a balanced team

We get a possible franchise defenseman, Nashville gets a franchise forward and we swap the mid-tier players to even out the offense and defense for each team

Salaries

To OTT: Weber (4.5M) + Erat (4.5M) = 9M

To NSH: Heatley (7M) + Kuba (3M) = 10M

Reasoning

I think this trade could help even out both teams, Nashville has an amazing surplus of defense prospects and could afford to move Weber IMHO to get more scoring help, a lot more scoring help. It could also possibly bring more fans to the arena, a 50 goal scorer is a lot more exciting than a 50-60 point defenseman no matter how good he is and in Weber's case, he is that good

Ottawa does not want to end up like Tampa and have 3 superstars but have no defense, goalie and secondary scoring. This trade evens our roster out forwards and defense, which will help our chances in the playoffs.

Rosters

Martin Erat - Jason Spezza - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Mike Fisher - Jesse Winchester
Antoine Vermette - Chris Kelly - Shean Donovan
Jarkko Ruutu - Dean McAmmond - Chris Neil

Shea Weber - Chris Phillips
Anton Volchenkov - Alexandre Picard
Jason Smith - Brian Lee/Brendan Bell/Christoph Schubert

Alex Auld
Martin Gerber

and

Dany Heatley - Jason Arnott - J.P Dumont
Antti Pihlstrom - David Legwand - Patric Hornqvist
Jordin Tootoo - Radek Bonk - Joel Ward
Vernon Fiddler - Scott Nichol - Jerrad Smithson

Filip Kuba - Ryan Suter
Dan Hamhuis - Greg Zanon
Greg DeVries - Ville Koistinen

Dan Ellis
Pekka Rinne

I know Heatley has a NTC and I am not sure about Erat or Weber, but this is just for fun. Is the value close? If not which team needs to add/take out? If the trade is unfair for Ottawa than maybe the picks could be thrown out of the deal but my original thought was Weber = Heatley and Kuba = Erat

It's likely a bad time since Weber is dominating right now, you can't possibly expect him to keep up this place because if he does he will get more points than Heatley (Don't worry, Heatley will start scoring soon)
Healty is one of the top scorers in the league and has been for a few years.The value for a player like healty is high for the most part.

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12-05-2008, 08:01 AM
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Terriable proposal.

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Big no.

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good job

i like this

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