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12-05-2008, 08:31 AM
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Redden tweaks knee

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/rangers/35586444.html

if you watched the game you likely knew this

Time to bring up the extra Dman............hope Potter can show he's ready to step in...........then Deal Kalinin to save cap space for a forward..............anyone with me on that yet?,,,,,,,,,,,


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Kalinin ain't going anywhere. He is moving up, not out.

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Man did we overpay the wrong people.

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http://www.northjersey.com/sports/rangers/35586444.html

if you watched the game you likely knew this

Time to bring up the extra Dman............hope Potter can show he's ready to step in...........then Deal Kalinin to save cap space for a forward..............anyone with me on that yet?,,,,,,,,,,,
Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere

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Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere
I wouldnt go that far.

Hes been ok, but he hasnt been one our best. Lundqvist has bailed him out countless times not to mention whichever partner he puts into a precarious position out there.

But youre right, hes not going anywhere. This was the problem i saw coming because the Rangers only had 6 NHL defensemen going into the season. Now Kalinin is going to be relied on even more, and he'll illustrate pretty clearly over the next few games why he isnt one of the Rangers best defenseman this year.

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Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere
Girardi, Staal, and Mara have all been better than Kalinen.

And probably Redden too, although his paycheck works against him.

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Absolutely NO REASON to move Kalinin. I wish people would get over that. It's not going to happen. And to OP- what useful forward would we acquire with the $2M cap savings if we moved Kalinin?

As for Redden... Well, time to see what Potter has, I would guess.

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Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere
once again I want to point out that I LIKE HIM, I am not saying he will be dealt cause he stinks I am saying he will be dealt because they need to cut some salary and bring in a top 6 forward..............How come everyone is willing to say by to Prucha and his 1.6 and not Kalinen who is 6th on the depth chart AND Potter proved he can play in the preseason.............

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potter proved he can play in the preseason in a mix of nhlers and ahlers playing against him. i do think potter is ready to come up and have a dan girardi effect. how when girardi came up he wasnt anything special, but he played the game simple and didnt make any glaring mistakes. the thing kalinin has over potter is nhl experience, and potter and kalinin play different styles. kalinin is geared more towards joining the rush and trying to contribute to the score, whereas potter tends to be more of a defensive defenseman.
if redden is out for a few games, potter will play, and kalinin will get some powerplay time. i think staal should get more pp time.

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Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere
People think Rozsival is bad, he's -8. Kalinin's -13. And he hasn't been producing, at all. He's our 6th dman.

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Kalinin got beat on the 4th line goal last night. He isn't brutal, but I see flashes of him wanting to be more offensive.

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Now my question , and I don't think anyone has even considered this question, is who the hell comes in if a second defenseman misses playing time? Liffiton? Fahey? We're in deep doodoo i that happens.

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Now my question , and I don't think anyone has even considered this question, is who the hell comes in if a second defenseman misses playing time? Liffiton? Fahey? We're in deep doodoo i that happens.
Sauer is pretty solid too. Still might need some experience before really ready -- but he can play.

Sanguinetti have been dooing better to lately in HFD -- and could be a option for a smaller role.

We are in better shape then ever when it comes to defensive depth IMO.

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Sauer is pretty solid too. Still might need some experience before really ready -- but he can play.

Sanguinetti have been dooing better to lately in HFD -- and could be a option for a smaller role.

We are in better shape then ever when it comes to defensive depth IMO.
Without a doubt.

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Now my question , and I don't think anyone has even considered this question, is who the hell comes in if a second defenseman misses playing time? Liffiton? Fahey? We're in deep doodoo i that happens.
Liffiton isn't even Rangers property anymore.


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Sauer is pretty solid too. Still might need some experience before really ready -- but he can play.
He's been a pleasant surprise since he returned from ACL surgery 10 games ago, but he is not ready for an NHL role right now.

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Sanguinetti have been dooing better to lately in HFD -- and could be a option for a smaller role.
I can't disagree more. Sanguinetti is nowhere near ready to step into the NHL in any role right now. Vladimir Denisov gets the call before Sanguinetti, that's how not ready he is.

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We are in better shape then ever when it comes to defensive depth IMO.
Again, I can't disagree more. Last year, we had three defensemen in Hartford (Baranka, Hutchinson, Potter) who could have very easily stepped in and played on the bottom pair. This year, we have... hell, right now no one in Hartford is playing well enough to earn the opportunity. And that is exactly why there hasn't been a 7th defenseman with the Rangers so far -- the organization is desperately hoping someone manages to get their game in order in Hartford. Because the NHL isn't the place for a defensman who's struggling in the AHL to try to find his game.

Potter and Fahey are the two defenseman with the best shot at a call up right now, but you should all be careful what you wish for, because they're making the same mistakes Rozsival, Redden and Kalinin are, but in a lower league.

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Sauer is pretty solid too. Still might need some experience before really ready -- but he can play.

Sanguinetti have been dooing better to lately in HFD -- and could be a option for a smaller role.

We are in better shape then ever when it comes to defensive depth IMO.
What about Denisov? I like the little I seen out of him. Played with an edge.

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Most people agreed that a 7th dman would have been called up before the 3 game west coast trip anyway just for insurance.

I guess this moves the timeline on that forward just a bit.

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What about Denisov? I like the little I seen out of him. Played with an edge.
Didn't he go back to Europe?

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Sens fan here. How has Redden looked so far this season? He seems to have put up some points so far this season, but it's still not very easy to judge from stats alone. Is this the first time he's been injured so far? Thanks

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lets just put it this way...other than the first couple of games in Europe and the last game against the pens he couldve been playing with a broken leg and you wouldnt notice the difference. I've said it 100 times, hands down the worst contract this team has seen in decades and that includes Holik. He flat out sucks, plain and simple.

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lets just put it this way...other than the first couple of games in Europe and the last game against the pens he couldve been playing with a broken leg and you wouldnt notice the difference. I've said it 100 times, hands down the worst contract this team has seen in decades and that includes Holik. He flat out sucks, plain and simple.
Overraction to some middle of the road play? Yes indeed.

Redden has been good, not great.

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I'd be fine with Potter/Fahey

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Didn't he go back to Europe?
That was Demagin.

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if it's long-term, potter

if it's nothing, fahey

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Once again I must point out that Kalinin has been one of our best defenseman this year. He has been just solid on defense and he actually joins the rush more than any of the other defenseman IMO, and he always picks his spots well when to join the rush. Sorry Kalinin isnt going anywhere
I'm not sure if your watching the same games I've been watching. Kalinin has been brutal. He's on the ice for almost every goal against, and they are usually because of his mistakes (turnovers, bad defensive zone coverage, pinching and getting beat, etc).

His plus minus is -13, by far the worst on the team and it's not even close...

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