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12-05-2008, 11:30 AM
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Foligno (0.850 cap hit), Lee, Ottawa 1st

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Kaberle (4.25)

So with Foligno gone Ottawa has approx. 4.31 in cap space and could fit Kaberle in. Also they would only pick up the remaining portion of Kaberles contract, and pro rated portion of Folignos

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12-05-2008, 11:33 AM
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I'll gladly take Fisher off their hands. I know how good that player can be. He's a Burke type player.
Fisher is too injury prone. Big pass.

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12-05-2008, 11:35 AM
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Foligno (0.850 cap hit), Lee, Ottawa 1st

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Kaberle (4.25)

So with Foligno gone Ottawa has approx. 4.31 in cap space and could fit Kaberle in. Also they would only pick up the remaining portion of Kaberles contract, and pro rated portion of Folignos
That's too much from a Sens's pov - certainly change the pick to SJ's 1st, and I still wouldn't do it, albeit its near

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12-05-2008, 11:36 AM
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No, Fisher isn't going anywhere... definitely not the Leafs. But if it were for Kaberle, Leafs would have to add Stajan and a 1st.
Listen, Kaberle will thrive in your system. You guys deperately need movement from your D and an offensive minded defenseman. Kaberle is the best one available probably.

I always say beggers cant be choosers. Fisher + SJ's 1st is a good deal IMO for Kaberle straight up.

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12-05-2008, 11:39 AM
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Listen, Kaberle will thrive in your system. You guys deperately need movement from your D and an offensive minded defenseman. Kaberle is the best one available probably.

I always say beggers cant be choosers. Fisher + SJ's 1st is a good deal IMO for Kaberle straight up.
That's a deal I'd never do. Maybe I'd consider it if it was Ottawa's 1st.

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12-05-2008, 12:02 PM
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Do the Sens really only have 3.4 million? On your site at hockeybuzz it says 3.2 million but Lee (1.275) is in the minors and Bell (0.5) is up. So shouldn't it be closer to 4.1?
I'll have to check my master file at home, but I know $3 million is too low. The one I have here at work says $3.4 million.

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seriously dude do you just cruise the threads to see who you can try and correct and ridicule, you don't think his numbers are good enough for a fan to make a proposal that may never happen anyway
I could just not chime in at all and then people would be grossly misinformed and we'd continue to have perpetuating ideas like "players on Injured Reserve don't count against the cap" and "the total salary a team carries can't be more than the Upper Limit" and "players who were waived but are still on the roster don't count against the cap" and incorrect information about the actual cap numbers of players and cap position of each team live on here, causing people to make wildly incorrect assumptions about what a particular team can or can't do. Or, I can state facts and correct some of these errors so that everyone is better informed about what's going on and can make more informed decisions.

I choose the latter. If that's a problem, it's not my problem to deal with.

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12-05-2008, 12:05 PM
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Foligno (0.850 cap hit), Lee, Ottawa 1st

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Kaberle (4.25)

So with Foligno gone Ottawa has approx. 4.31 in cap space and could fit Kaberle in. Also they would only pick up the remaining portion of Kaberles contract, and pro rated portion of Folignos
Its going to take more then kaberle to get lee and folingo.

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12-05-2008, 12:20 PM
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so your saying fisher and the 30th overall for kabs, stajan (whos better than fisher this year) and maybe a top 5 pick.
i dont even know how to properly shoot that down. thats just terrible
I didn't say anything about the 30th overall. If you want that too, throw in Grabovski from the Leafs side.

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12-05-2008, 12:23 PM
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so your saying fisher and the 30th overall for kabs, stajan (whos better than fisher this year) and maybe a top 5 pick.
i dont even know how to properly shoot that down. thats just terrible
Look at his avatar. He's a major Fisher fanboy and overrates him to no end.

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12-05-2008, 12:32 PM
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I didn't say anything about the 30th overall. If you want that too, throw in Grabovski from the Leafs side.
oh o.k. so your obviously kidding, sorry

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12-05-2008, 12:36 PM
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oh o.k. so your obviously kidding, sorry
In reality, I would classify Fisher as untouchable. However, you'll find many short-sighted Sens fans who would gladly entertain offers for him because he doesn't score 10 more pts/season and hurts himself for 10-15 games a season due to him playing with the burning intensity of a thousand suns.

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12-05-2008, 12:56 PM
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I love Kaberle, probably the only leaf I like, but I don't think it would be a good idea for these two teams to trade with each other, it would seem to weird. If Ottawa is going to try and land a PMD then it will be JBo from Flordia.

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Kaberle
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12-05-2008, 02:30 PM
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The Sens actually have SJ's 1st round pick, not TB's.

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No, Fisher isn't going anywhere... definitely not the Leafs. But if it were for Kaberle, Leafs would have to add Stajan and a 1st.


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12-05-2008, 02:59 PM
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Just another correction, the 1st rounder was not acquired in the Brian Boyle trade, oh, and it's SJ's 1st rounder.

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12-05-2008, 03:18 PM
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In reality, I would classify Fisher as untouchable. .
In reality, Fisher is untouchable, because he has a NTC.

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12-05-2008, 03:20 PM
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I would look more at

To Tor:Foligno/Vermette (Foligno would be my preference)
O'Brien (didn't realize he was your first in '07) this spot was just for a risk/reward prospect. Not as much risk as i thought
Ott 1st

To Ott:Kaberle

It addresses what everyone believes the leafs are looking to get back for Kaberle and it fills the hole on the Ottawa blue line and with his contract leaves room for them to retain more players.

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12-05-2008, 03:27 PM
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Any fan favourite / big prospect going to the Leafs = no barring massive overpayment.

Also the 1st round pick is San Jose's.

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12-05-2008, 03:28 PM
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I would look more at

To Tor:Foligno/Vermette (Foligno would be my preference)
O'Brien (didn't realize he was your first in '07) this spot was just for a risk/reward prospect. Not as much risk as i thought
Ott 1st

To Ott:Kaberle

It addresses what everyone believes the leafs are looking to get back for Kaberle and it fills the hole on the Ottawa blue line and with his contract leaves room for them to retain more players.
Foligno, O'Brien and a 1st....that amounts to 3 1st rounders. I don't think Kaberle will fetch that kind of return and if you're going to give 4.25 mil in salary, another team will want you to take at least half of that back in salary.

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12-05-2008, 03:33 PM
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I like Kaberle and think that despite being in the same division, a trade would still make sense between the two teams because they're in different stages of building/development.

As for what the trade would be, I'd be comfortable with

To Tor: Two out of Lee/Foligno/SJ's 1st rounder
To Ott: Kaberle

If Toronto wanted another asset, than they'd have to reduce their expectations substantially from what I see so far (depth player, mid-level prospect). There's no way we (or probably any team) is trading away 3 first rounders for Kaberle.

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12-05-2008, 03:46 PM
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I like Kaberle and think that despite being in the same division, a trade would still make sense between the two teams because they're in different stages of building/development.

As for what the trade would be, I'd be comfortable with

To Tor: Two out of Lee/Foligno/SJ's 1st rounder
To Ott: Kaberle

If Toronto wanted another asset, than they'd have to reduce their expectations substantially from what I see so far (depth player, mid-level prospect). There's no way we (or probably any team) is trading away 3 first rounders for Kaberle.
I would do that too. If they need a mid level prospect, then I would be wiling. That's a pretty good return, 2 1st and a throw in though guy for Burke's taste. Kaberle has avery manageable contract and might need a change of scenery....although I'm a Sens fan and even when I watch the Leafs play he frustates me with his tendency to NEVER shoot.

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12-05-2008, 03:49 PM
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the sens pick will not be top 5....The sens will be knocking on the playoff door by the end of the season....

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I like Kaberle and think that despite being in the same division, a trade would still make sense between the two teams because they're in different stages of building/development.

As for what the trade would be, I'd be comfortable with

To Tor: Two out of Lee/Foligno/SJ's 1st rounder
To Ott: Kaberle

If Toronto wanted another asset, than they'd have to reduce their expectations substantially from what I see so far (depth player, mid-level prospect). There's no way we (or probably any team) is trading away 3 first rounders for Kaberle.
people consistently trade 2-3 first rounders for rentals of kab value, why wouldnt a team trade them for 3 years of kaberle?

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12-05-2008, 04:02 PM
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people consistently trade 2-3 first rounders for rentals of kab value, why wouldnt a team trade them for 3 years of kaberle?
And I'm offering 2. They rarely ever go beyond that and when they do, they usually regret it.

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