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12-05-2008, 12:57 PM
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Jones+Niity+picks+prospect

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Umberger and Leclaire


Now that would easily go down as the best trade Homer could make.
You forgot the sarcasm emoticon.

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12-05-2008, 12:59 PM
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god i hate rumor threads. they give me a headache

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If he fits cap wise I'd rather keep Jones for now and let Sbisa go and develop properly in the WHL.

Timonen-Coburn
Carle-Vaananen
Jones-Parent/Kukkonen/Alberts

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12-05-2008, 01:07 PM
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I'm all for dealing Jones if the value is good, but wouldn't it be easier to whack Alberts and then reassess what we need to do once Briere is healthy?

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12-05-2008, 01:08 PM
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Hitch always liked Jones from what I remember.

They could get a 2nd rounder out of this one.

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12-05-2008, 01:09 PM
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I'm all for dealing Jones if the value is good, but wouldn't it be easier to whack Alberts and then reassess what we need to do once Briere is healthy?
I'm curious how the value could posssibly be good seeing as he just signed a sweet deal and is coming back from hip surgery. Not to mention teams know were close to the wall and aren't going to do us any favors.

Were in no position of strength here.

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Hitch always liked Jones from what I remember.

They could get a 2nd rounder out of this one.
I'd be shocked if we got a 2nd.

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12-05-2008, 01:12 PM
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I think jones has a pretty good contract for a 35 point player, considering Jeff Finger (ha) got 3.5 mil

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I think jones has a pretty good contract for a 35 point player, considering Jeff Finger (ha) got 3.5 mil
Finger is irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, Jones sucks, and it's mainly because of his contract.

If he got 1.6 or even 2 I'd feel differently.

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12-05-2008, 01:48 PM
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Finger is irrelevant. As far as I'm concerned, Jones sucks, and it's mainly because of his contract.

If he got 1.6 or even 2 I'd feel differently.
Please. A bunch of posters here hated him long before he singed his latest contract.

Let's be serious.

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You forgot the sarcasm emoticon.

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Please. A bunch of posters here hated him long before he singed his latest contract.

Let's be serious.
I said I hate him MAINLY due to his contract.

I am not much of a fan. If this was not a salary cap world, I could care less how much he got.

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A team whose defense is half Sbisa, Alberts, and Parent ain't going nowhere against the Pens or Bluebibs or Bruins come Springtime.

Timonen-Coburn
Carle-Vaananen
Jones-Alberts
Parent/Kukkonen

looks okay to me.

All told though, no one except those with no move clauses are expendable, esp. in the days of the cap. I don't really see anyone as untouchable if the Flyers feel they can get better fitting players or need to trade away salary in order to make room for a Big Move.

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12-05-2008, 01:58 PM
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I said I hate him MAINLY due to his contract.

I am not much of a fan. If this was not a salary cap world, I could care less how much he got.
Fair enough, but were you ever a fan? Even last year?

Personally, I don't understand the hatred. Perhaps being up here in Canada, I missed something.

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I said I hate him MAINLY due to his contract.
He sucks because of his contract?

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If he fits cap wise I'd rather keep Jones for now and let Sbisa go and develop properly in the WHL.

Timonen-Coburn
Carle-Vaananen
Jones-Parent/Kukkonen/Alberts
My only concern with sending Sbisa back to the WHL is how much more does he have to learn there? He needs to hit the weight room, but I actually don't think it's going to hurt him if we keep him up this year. If they decide to send him down because they have better options thats fine, but I don't think Kukkonen Alberts or Jones are better options.

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12-05-2008, 02:13 PM
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He sucks because of his contract?
For what he provides, he is not worth his contract.

I also am not a huge fan of Briere.

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My only concern with sending Sbisa back to the WHL is how much more does he have to learn there? He needs to hit the weight room, but I actually don't think it's going to hurt him if we keep him up this year. If they decide to send him down because they have better options thats fine, but I don't think Kukkonen Alberts or Jones are better options.




Those guys are much better options right now. Sbisa is over his head at this level at this time. He's going to be a good one but he's got to beef up. His play has tailed dramatically.

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12-05-2008, 02:26 PM
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Jones>Alberts

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12-05-2008, 02:39 PM
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A team whose defense is half Sbisa, Alberts, and Parent ain't going nowhere against the Pens or Bluebibs or Bruins come Springtime.
But even if Jones left, half the defense would not be Sbisa, Alberts, and Parent...

Timonen-Coburn
Vaananen-Carle
Sbisa-Parent
Alberts
Kukkonen

That looks good to me. I think Sbisa-Parent would make a good third pairing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if Parent is outplaying Vaananen by the end of the season, and ready to switch places with him. Even if Parent isn't ready to join the team immediately once he's healthy, then keep Alberts with Sbisa for a bit longer. They're doing a good enough job together.

As I've already mentioned, I like Jones...I think he's a good player, and I'm fine with his contract. However, I'm just not so sure that we need him any longer.

The other side of this is that maybe the organization will wind up wanting to send Sbisa back to juniors, and maybe they'll want Parent with the Phantoms. While I don't know that I'd agree with either of those decisions, I don't think either one would be all that crazy of an idea. If they wind up wanting one or both of those things, it's much easier to see how Randy Jones fits in this season.

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Jones>Alberts
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I'd be shocked if we got a 2nd.
Hitch has already overpaid Umberger, im sure hed overpay for Jones.

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Sorry that I forgot Coburn. Still doesn't change anything, we would be ok without him. Carle = Jones and I think Carle has more upside.

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Hitch has already overpaid Umberger, im sure hed overpay for Jones.
I'll eat crow if it happens, but I highly doubt we fetch a 2nd for Jones.

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agreed.

If the Flyers were to move Jones, it would be a salary dumping issue. He could be part of a big trade down the line, or a trade for a midlevel draft pick right now to a team like columbus.
I agree as well. I think Leclaire and Biron are at a fairly equal level in terms of their play. Doing so would be like trading an orange for an orange.

Salary dump would be nice, and try to get a pick out of it. We already know the Flyers can pick great young players, an extra pick or 2 can be nice.

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I'm curious how the value could posssibly be good seeing as he just signed a sweet deal and is coming back from hip surgery. Not to mention teams know were close to the wall and aren't going to do us any favors.

Were in no position of strength here.



I'd be shocked if we got a 2nd.


WOW, you guys play way too much "fantasy" sports. WE may see him as a liability but in truth he's a quality 2nd line dman on a very good contract. Last year he stepped up his game in the 2nd half of the season and in the playoffs and proved himself a 2nd liner who filled in just fine on the top line once we lost our top 2 dmen. His hip injury isn't "career threatening" so nobody is going to view his value as "low" just because he's been uinjured for the first third of this season. He resigned with us last year for slightly less than he could probably have gotten through FA so he's NOT over priced.

He was most likely worth at least a 2nd before he was injured but we wouldn't have traded him for it because he had a lot more value to use then than a 2nd would. Now, we have a better player in Carle who does everything that Jones does a bit better but at a bit higher price. We don't need Jones and Carle both so one is out the door.

Even now Jones is worth at least a 2nd and I don't see us taking anything less for him. YOU may not think he's worht that much but every other GM in the league understands his value. He WILL return that much.

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