Why would we waste assets getting Horton when our bigger need is defense?
Our biggest need is goalie. I'm about to strap on the pads and try to be a walk-on for crying out loud. We will never win a cup with Biron between the pipes. And why is everyone so high on Nodl? I dont think he is as good as everyone is claiming him to be.
Our biggest need is goalie. I'm about to strap on the pads and try to be a walk-on for crying out loud. We will never win a cup with Biron between the pipes. And why is everyone so high on Nodl? I dont think he is as good as everyone is claiming him to be.
Our biggest need is goalie. I'm about to strap on the pads and try to be a walk-on for crying out loud. We will never win a cup with Biron between the pipes. And why is everyone so high on Nodl? I dont think he is as good as everyone is claiming him to be.
Nodl is a good role player. This team has plenty of guys who can score. Nodl plays good defense, has pretty good speed and just gets his job done. He is not gonna score 30 goals, although I beleive he will start to get a few. But he is a good compliment to Carter and Upshall, that linbe can fly.
Hot streak at the right time, hi. One of the worst goalies in terms of sv% and GAA, HI!
Those first 6 or 10 games where our defense looked worse than 06-07 say hi. His save percentage has been slowly recovering from the horrible start all season. It will eventually return to where it needs to be.
Our biggest need is goalie. I'm about to strap on the pads and try to be a walk-on for crying out loud. We will never win a cup with Biron between the pipes. And why is everyone so high on Nodl? I dont think he is as good as everyone is claiming him to be.
For a young player, Nodl shows good Hockey sense and is positionally sound, as well as good on the forecheck. he's even been used on the PK. It's unusual for a young player to be good in those areas right off the bat. His offense, if he has that in him, will develop later. he shows a lot of promise.
Those first 6 or 10 games where our defense looked worse than 06-07 say hi. His save percentage has been slowly recovering from the horrible start all season. It will eventually return to where it needs to be.
Horton is signed thru the 12/13 season at 4 mil per season. Lupul just signed an extension that will pay him 4.25 mil per season thru the 12/13 season. Just looking at these 2 players I'd gladly make a trade that would give us Horton instead of Lupul. He's freaking playing for Florida, they suck. How can ANYBODY continue to give 100% every night year after year when it becomes plainly obvious to you that the owners, managment, coaches (lol, that's a joke) and fans (THAT'S an even BIGGER joke) just don't care. Horton is a much better player than many of you who are dismissing him believe him to be. Horton may not be reaching the level he was expected to reach but he's still better than Hartnell (though completely different types of players), Upshall, Knuble, Nodl, Giroux and many more forwards we have signed. He'd immediately be our 4th or 5th best forward (depending on how much you penalize Briere for his poor defensive play) with only Gagne, Richards and Carter above him and Briere and Horton battling for 4th and 5th. Of all the rest we have in our system, only JVR has the POTENTIAL to be better than Horton. I'd gladly trade Lupul and Nodl for Horton.
Here's the money we have committed to next season right now:
Briere - 6.5, Richards, 5.75, Gags - 5.25, Carter - 5.0 (and see, I told you all we should have signed him to the exact same contract we signed Richards to last year), Lupul - 4.25, Hartnell 4.2, Timonen - 6.33, Carle - 3.44, Jones - 2.75, Coburn 1.3, Parent - 0.86. That's 45.6 mil spent right there.
We still need a 4th line center (Metro at 1.0 signed for next year too), 3 wings for the top 3 lines (min 0.85 each if they are Nodl, Giroux and another on a rookie contract though not JVR), 2 4th line wings (Cote and Asham signed for about 1.2 mil for next year), a 6th and 7th dman (min of 0.85 if it's 2 of Sbisa, Ratchuk and Guenin), and 2 goalies.
Even if we do figue on Nodl and Giroux for 2 of 3 missing wings on the top 3 lines, a 4th line of Cote, Metro and Asham, and 2 of the 3 rookie contract dmen I listed we are at 51.2 mil spent and we still need one more top 9 wing, a 13th forward, and our goalies.Logisitcally, we arent getting a top 9 forward for less than 1 mil. We will already have Nodl and Giroux as guys on rookie contract and I can't see us bringing up another rookie to play in the top 9. The 13th forward figure at 0.6 mil so we are at 52.8 mil spent. Figure 0.6 for the worst backup goalie in the league and we are at 53.4 mil with only a starting goalie needed.
There is talk of the cap decreasing next year so at best it's doubtful it will go up. That makes it safe to estimate for next year based on a cap limit equal to this years 56.7 mil. We would be 3.3 mil under the cap as of right now with Biron having to take a pay cut to stay on the Flyers. most teams like to leave themselves at least 1 mil in cap space to account for injuries and such. Right now, we can't even just swap Lupuls salary for Hortons salary.
Lupul needs a new contract. Knuble has been in talks with Holmgren about a contract extension. Lets say both are resigned for a combined 3.75 mil, that's 1.9 mil more than what we have figured for our forwards right now and brings the total to 55.3 mil. Biron won't resign for a pay cut so lets figure him at 4 mil. That brings us to 57.3 mil, 0.6 mil over the cap limit. For every forward or defensmans contract we remove because they aren't resigned or are traded, we have to replace with at least 0.85 mil in salary based upon bringing up a guy from the Phantoms or juniors who is still on an entry level contract (it's an estimate, some guys are cheaper but it's good enough for estimating). If we want to leave ourselves at least 0.5 mil in cap space then we have to remove a player making at least 2 mil per season.
I guess we COULD trade Lupul and Upshall for Horton and be ok and I tink that might be more appealing than Lupul and Nodl. The biggest thing is that we'd have crap for a backup goalie and there's no room for JVR next season.
Yeah he does. On a side note, I watched a lot of that Panthers- Sens game last night and Boumeester is unbelievable. The ease that he moves the puck out of the zone with would be so comforting. I think at my age that I need that.
Is anyone else concerned about possibly going into next season with 3 out of your top 6 wingers being 2 rookies (Giroux and JVR) and a 2nd year player (Nodl)??? Not to mention a 4th being Upshall who is really best suited for the 3rd line at this point. That gives you basically 2 legit top 6 wingers in Gagne and Hartnell.
Is anyone else concerned about possibly going into next season with 3 out of your top 6 wingers being 2 rookies (Giroux and JVR) and a 2nd year player (Nodl)??? Not to mention a 4th being Upshall who is really best suited for the 3rd line at this point. That gives you basically 2 legit top 6 wingers in Gagne and Hartnell.
This is my only hesitation in trading Lupul.
I'm not sure there's a lot of ways around it given JVRs salary coming in.
Is anyone else concerned about possibly going into next season with 3 out of your top 6 wingers being 2 rookies (Giroux and JVR) and a 2nd year player (Nodl)??? Not to mention a 4th being Upshall who is really best suited for the 3rd line at this point. That gives you basically 2 legit top 6 wingers in Gagne and Hartnell.
This is my only hesitation in trading Lupul.
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Originally Posted by Jester
I'm not sure there's a lot of ways around it given JVRs salary coming in.
I agree with you both. However, given his price tag JVR may just begin the season in the minors so that we can resign Knuble for some vet exp. Seeing how Upshall and Knuble both need a new contract next season I think we will trade Upshall this year and get something for him and retain Knuble (they should cost about the samen for the next 2 years and I just think managment would rather have Knuble over Upshall).
I illustrated how precarious our cap situation is for next season and I think that what we do or don't do with Lupul this season will indicate our intentions for JVR next year. Either Carle or Lupul has to be moved to fit JVR in next season, Jones isn't enough money.
I agree with you both. However, given his price tag JVR may just begin the season in the minors so that we can resign Knuble for some vet exp. Seeing how Upshall and Knuble both need a new contract next season I think we will trade Upshall this year and get something for him and retain Knuble (they should cost about the samen for the next 2 years and I just think managment would rather have Knuble over Upshall).
I illustrated how precarious our cap situation is for next season and I think that what we do or don't do with Lupul this season will indicate our intentions for JVR next year. Either Carle or Lupul has to be moved to fit JVR in next season, Jones isn't enough money.
Upshall is not a cap issue, he will never put up the numbers to get a substantial raise. Lupul is the one that is most likely going to have to be moved, or they are going to need Knuble to sign a cheap contract...
If JVR needs to start in the AHL I would be fine with that, but he may not need to....I dont want to keep him down there purely for money reasons
This is preceisely why Jones and Alberts need to go in my opinion
