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12-07-2008, 08:59 PM
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Kalinin is dreadful

He is bad. Another minus 2 for the game. He is on for every Ranger goal against. I am tired of seeing #45 after each Rangers goal against. He was -3 against Montreal.
He is -15 for the year. If it gets any worse, he might break the record. He is the only Ranger defenseman not to score a goal yet.

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12-07-2008, 09:00 PM
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He is bad. Another minus 2 for the game. He is on for every Ranger goal against. I am tired of seeing #45 after each Rangers goal against. He was -3 against Montreal.
He is -15 for the year. If it gets any worse, he might break the record. He is the only Ranger defenseman not to score a goal yet.
The Sabres fans warned us. No suprises here.

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12-07-2008, 09:02 PM
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The Sabres fans warned us. No suprises here.
I thought Potter was fine. Bench Kalinin as soon as Redden comes back. He is making Malik look great.

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Most of the goals I've seen involving Kalinin have been due to someone else's screwing up(like Gomez tonight) or Odd-man breaks against (like tonight) or stupid line changes (like tonight).

He's not been great but he gets caught in some damn awkward situations on a regular basis.


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12-07-2008, 09:03 PM
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He is bad. Another minus 2 for the game. He is on for every Ranger goal against. I am tired of seeing #45 after each Rangers goal against. He was -3 against Montreal.
He is -15 for the year. If it gets any worse, he might break the record. He is the only Ranger defenseman not to score a goal yet.
Kalinin with an eric brewer and rod brindamour are tied for DEAD LAST in the nhl, all three have -15 on the season....

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12-07-2008, 09:04 PM
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Most of the goals I've seen involving Kalinin have been due to someone else's screwing (like Gomez tonight) or Odd-man breaks against (like tonight) or stupid line changes (like tonight).

He's not been great but he gets caught in some damn awkward situations on a regular basis.
I saw #45 five times in two freaking games everytime someone scores against us. I hate that stupid number.

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12-07-2008, 09:05 PM
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he certainly was not the reason the rangers lost today

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12-07-2008, 09:07 PM
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I saw #45 five times in two freaking games everytime someone scores against us. I hate that stupid number.
I didn't say he's not struggling...of course he is.

I'm saying that a lot of times he's seemingly our last line of defense...which shouldn't be.

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12-07-2008, 09:13 PM
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That's the 2nd worst scapegoat I've seen used tonight next to Gomez.

Kalinin isn't the problem, or at least the reason why we lost tonight.

Do you really want to know why we lost tonight? Because Nik Zherdev, Chris Drury, Markus Naslund, Brandon Dubinsky and Petr Prucha didn't net any goals.

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12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
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I havent really had a problem with Kalinins play, as the majority of the time hes on the ice for a goal, hes usually the only one back defending. Meaning that his partner got caught somewhere up-ice, and the forwards are not supporting him coming back. I wouldn't say he has been stellar by any means, but in a vacuum, he is not the problem right now.

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That's the 2nd worst scapegoat I've seen used tonight next to Gomez.

Kalinin isn't the problem, or at least the reason why we lost tonight.

Do you really want to know why we lost tonight? Because Nik Zherdev, Chris Drury, Markus Naslund, Brandon Dubinsky and Petr Prucha didn't net any goals.
And Gomez is completely ineffective at shooting the puck, but very effective at creating turnovers that sometimes lead to goals and always lead to scoring chances for the opposing team.

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12-07-2008, 09:21 PM
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Most of the goals I've seen involving Kalinin have been due to someone else's screwing up(like Gomez tonight) or Odd-man breaks against (like tonight) or stupid line changes (like tonight).

He's not been great but he gets caught in some damn awkward situations on a regular basis.
So it is a coincidence that he is the worst +/- on the club, and that every defenseman's +/- goes down when paired with him? He is terrible and needs to go pronto.

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I'm not sure if giving him more playing time will fix the flaws in his game

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12-07-2008, 09:23 PM
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certainly not why we lost today, I'll tell you that much

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12-07-2008, 09:24 PM
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but very effective at creating turnovers that sometimes lead to goals and always lead to scoring chances for the opposing team.
and Zherdev doesn't?

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12-07-2008, 09:28 PM
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and Zherdev doesn't?
Yes but he does not come close to the amount of times the amount of times that Gomez does it. Zherdev also is our biggest scroing threat on the team right now, whteher it be shooting or passing, as evidenced by the pass he gave Gomez tonight, to which Scotty thought well Im 3 feet from the net lemme make a pass, oh wait lemme get shutdown by the D-Man while I fall on my ass and the puck goes the other way. BIG BIG Difference. Right now, I take Zherdev over Gomez every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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So it is a coincidence that he is the worst +/- on the club, and that every defenseman's +/- goes down when paired with him? He is terrible and needs to go pronto.
First, that plus/minus stat is crap and you all know it. It's a stat with a heavy bias towards teams that actually score and players that actually score.

Second, a 3rd-pair D-man normally doesn't have a great +/- unless he's a on a competent offensive team.

3rd, every D-man has struggled with play in their own zone this season. He doesn't stick out more than normal. I would venture to say most of the goals scored while he's on the ice happen in transition...which has been a team-wide issue(yet another problem I've had with Renney this season in particular).

He's been subpar in his own zone and he's the worst skilled/talented D-man, but as others have said if you think he's been a major problem this season you've haven't been watching the team. If the fans at the arena thought he was such a liability they would be booing his ass off right now. They did earlier in the season but now they understand he's far from a big problem right now.

Instead they rightfully put the onus on others as they should.

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I thought Potter was fine. Bench Kalinin as soon as Redden comes back. He is making Malik look great.
soooooooooooo does anyone now agree they should trade this salary now?............

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12-07-2008, 09:42 PM
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And Gomez is completely ineffective at shooting the puck, but very effective at creating turnovers that sometimes lead to goals and always lead to scoring chances for the opposing team.
Thank god i'm not the only one who see's it.

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12-07-2008, 09:45 PM
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soooooooooooo does anyone now agree they should trade this salary now?............
Kalinin is the least of our worries. A teams 6th defender isn't the reason they are losing or the reason they can't score.

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I havent really had a problem with Kalinins play, as the majority of the time hes on the ice for a goal, hes usually the only one back defending. Meaning that his partner got caught somewhere up-ice, and the forwards are not supporting him coming back. I wouldn't say he has been stellar by any means, but in a vacuum, he is not the problem right now.
This is what I've been trying to say. Thank you.

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Kalinin is the least of our worries. A teams 6th defender isn't the reason they are losing or the reason they can't score.
yea yea I agree but they are tight on the cap and they do not need to spend 2.1 million on a 6th Dman that has one of the wost plus minus in the league

I much rather have Potter and a cheap 7th Dman , save over a million and then use those savings, what they have now and Prucha's money to get a scoring winger ..............

anyways I think it only makes sense but so many people think i am a fool saying it

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I don't mind the guy but how the hell can you be out of position on a pinch when you're out of position to begin with?

I swear I saw Kalinin pinch like he had his eyes closed.

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+1. Man Kalinin sucks.

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All things considered, Kalinin isn't all that bad. But really, what free agent signing in the last few years was a good move? Pretty much they have all sucked.

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