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12-11-2008, 03:12 AM
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If Vancouver was out of the playoff picture next year, and Luongo waived his NTC, the canucks would get alot less then the fanbase expects.

1st
High end/blue-chip prospect
Young roster player
Salary dump(if needed)

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If Schnieder becomes better. add JVR and make the first in 09 it would be more reasonable.

although i believe Luongo will resign with the canucks.
Vancouver should try and get one of Philli's 2003 1sts as well.

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12-11-2008, 11:01 AM
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Considering PHI has no goalie prospects in the pipes, how about Carter, Coburn, 2010 1st?
if we trade both carter and coburn we dont need luongo as wed no longer be a cup contender making that 2010 1st indespensible.

a reasonable flyers proposal starts with biron (playoff proven 1b) and goes from there. hes not a franchise guy by any means but could be someone schneider could groom behind. an excellent benchmark for a young goalie cuz when hes better then biron hes a legitimate nhl starter.

maybe add in someone like mike knuble veteran grity power forward who helps you in the playoffs or scotty hartnell whos a similar player but younger and signed long term

1st in 2010

either andreas nodl or ryan parent your choice

if he doesnt resign in vancouver its cuz hes looking for the bank. in that case hes worth between 6 and 7 million and truly a rental for any other team

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12-11-2008, 11:03 AM
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Carter, Lupul, Parent, 1st

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12-11-2008, 11:07 AM
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if we trade both carter and coburn we dont need luongo as wed no longer be a cup contender making that 2010 1st indespensible.

a reasonable flyers proposal starts with biron (playoff proven 1b) and goes from there. hes not a franchise guy by any means but could be someone schneider could groom behind. an excellent benchmark for a young goalie cuz when hes better then biron hes a legitimate nhl starter.

maybe add in someone like mike knuble veteran grity power forward who helps you in the playoffs or scotty hartnell whos a similar player but younger and signed long term

1st in 2010

either andreas nodl or ryan parent your choice

if he doesnt resign in vancouver its cuz hes looking for the bank. in that case hes worth between 6 and 7 million and truly a rental for any other team

Biron, Knuble, Nodl, 1st
Terrible offer.

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Carter, Lupul, Parent, 1st
Appropriate offer.

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12-11-2008, 11:33 AM
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If I was GM of Oilers I would offer a lot to get him...

Something like

Gagner/Cogs + Gilbert/Visnovski + Cole + 2009 1st + 2010 1st

Over payment for sure, but Luo is the best Keeper in the NHL and wins so many games by himself its not even funny.

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12-11-2008, 12:43 PM
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Terrible offer.



Appropriate offer.
no the approproate offer is the 7 mil. if he doesnt resign wth vancouver (which i think he will) hes definitely going to test the market. if you want carter we wait it out simple as that. you dont give up franchise centers (and if he stays on pace rocket richard contenders) for rental players.

the deal i offered keeps you from taking too far a step back in the short term(biron, knuble) while adding value for the long term(nodl,1st)

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12-11-2008, 12:54 PM
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no the approproate offer is the 7 mil. if he doesnt resign wth vancouver (which i think he will) hes definitely going to test the market. if you want carter we wait it out simple as that. you dont give up franchise centers (and if he stays on pace rocket richard contenders) for rental players.

the deal i offered keeps you from taking too far a step back in the short term(biron, knuble) while adding value for the long term(nodl,1st)
Not really. Luo is better then anyone on your team and Carter is far far far from a franchise center even though he is playing good this year.

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12-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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no the approproate offer is the 7 mil. if he doesnt resign wth vancouver (which i think he will) hes definitely going to test the market. if you want carter we wait it out simple as that. you dont give up franchise centers (and if he stays on pace rocket richard contenders) for rental players.

the deal i offered keeps you from taking too far a step back in the short term(biron, knuble) while adding value for the long term(nodl,1st)
What exactly led you to the conclusion in bold?

Your offer also gives Vancouver no incentive to do the trade. I can say with 98% confidence that Luongo is the best goaltender in the NHL. Nearly a third of his 17 starts have been shutouts. You're not going to get him for spare parts.

One would think that if you're trading for a franchise goaltender, one of if the most valuable trading pieces in pro sports and the most valuable in this sport, you'd be willing to give up an elite center and a couple of extra parts.

Carter, Lupul, Parent, and a 1st round pick is a very fair offer and I would expect to see Vancouver take it in the off-season (naturally making the 1st a 2010 pick) or possibly at the draft, when they're more confident in Schneider and have options to explore to replace Luongo.

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12-11-2008, 01:04 PM
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Not really. Luo is better then anyone on your team and Carter is far far far from a franchise center even though he is playing good this year.
you seriously underestimate jeff carter

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Carter, Lupul, Parent, and a 1st round pick is a very fair offer and I would expect to see Vancouver take it in the off-season (naturally making the 1st a 2010 pick) or possibly at the draft, when they're more confident in Schneider and have options to explore to replace Luongo.
As a Jersey fan I would love to see the Flyers make that trade.

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you seriously underestimate jeff carter
I would have to disagree. Carter cannot be classified as a franchise center based on 1/3 of a season. The previous three seasons he has not even managed to put up a PPG - how is that kind of a player classified as a franchise center (Thornton calibre). Now I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but a franchise center is a bit far fetched (at least right now). If he ocntinues to score 40-50 goals multiple seasons (i.e. Heatley), then he will be considered a franchise player. But not right now.

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I would have to disagree. Carter cannot be classified as a franchise center based on 1/3 of a season. The previous three seasons he has not even managed to put up a PPG - how is that kind of a player classified as a franchise center (Thornton calibre). Now I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but a franchise center is a bit far fetched (at least right now). If he ocntinues to score 40-50 goals multiple seasons (i.e. Heatley), then he will be considered a franchise player. But not right now.
You seriously underestimate Jeff Carter.

He's young and coming into his own now. People don't realize his two way play. He is sound defensively and has worked that into his game the last couple of years. Now he's getting better offensively and put some much needed size on to make it happen. It's only going to get better from this point forward. He is definitely a franchise player.

If it wasn't for Thorton's previous seasons you wouldn't be using him as an example. Even though he is not at the top of the Sharks points list, doesn't make him a non-franchise type of player. If it was based on this year alone, you would have used someone else's name.

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What exactly led you to the conclusion in bold?

Your offer also gives Vancouver no incentive to do the trade. I can say with 98% confidence that Luongo is the best goaltender in the NHL. Nearly a third of his 17 starts have been shutouts. You're not going to get him for spare parts.

One would think that if you're trading for a franchise goaltender, one of if the most valuable trading pieces in pro sports and the most valuable in this sport, you'd be willing to give up an elite center and a couple of extra parts.

Carter, Lupul, Parent, and a 1st round pick is a very fair offer and I would expect to see Vancouver take it in the off-season (naturally making the 1st a 2010 pick) or possibly at the draft, when they're more confident in Schneider and have options to explore to replace Luongo.
no doubt about it luongo is a stud (though i think brodeur is still tops).hes top 5 by anybody can tell a puck from a basketball. my offer was basicly a lateral move for vancouver ill admit it but that was kinda the point. we are in similar positions contentionwise and if a trade can be found that helps both squads great. but the flyers are really banking on richards carter both now and in years to come. having them dictates the need for luongo there also arent centers in development to fill the holes we would have should they go. its the emergence of young players in jvr and giroux that make guys like lupul and knuble tradable. im assuming that if luongo is on the block that schneider has put luongo in the same position.

if its a center you want maybe work something out with briere but i think his cap number makes it unmanagable. and like i said before with biron making 3 mil. hed have to be part of any deal. an offseason deal is simply too far away for me to try and predict in december.

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If Vancouver was out of the playoff picture next year, and Luongo waived his NTC, the canucks would get alot less then the fanbase expects.

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Young roster player
Salary dump(if needed)
how about the NY Islanders
here is a proposal
Isles 1st rounder this year (probably top 5
Okposo(high end prospoect)
Bergenheim (young roster player)
DiPietro (salary dump, and replacement goalie)

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how about the NY Islanders
How about ... NO!

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I think a team like LA could really benefit from having Luongo in their system. Not only would he make them an instant playoff contender, but he would have a pretty big impact on Bernier as well.

Frolov + Doughty + 2010 1st for Luongo

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I would have to disagree. Carter cannot be classified as a franchise center based on 1/3 of a season. The previous three seasons he has not even managed to put up a PPG - how is that kind of a player classified as a franchise center (Thornton calibre). Now I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but a franchise center is a bit far fetched (at least right now). If he ocntinues to score 40-50 goals multiple seasons (i.e. Heatley), then he will be considered a franchise player. But not right now.
you brought him up not me but thornton didnt establish himself as a ppg player untill his fourth year which carter is in now (and also doing). and if you compare thier first 3 its very similar. hes a first line center now and on his way to establishing himself as a superstar.

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I think a team like LA could really benefit from having Luongo in their system. Not only would he make them an instant playoff contender, but he would have a pretty big impact on Bernier as well.

Frolov + Doughty + 2010 1st for Luongo
Just stop.

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Just stop.
How is that an unreasonable proposal? Luongo is probably the best goaltender in the world, and hasn't even entered his prime. He is only 28. He still has another 8-10 years AT LEAST.

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How is that an unreasonable proposal? Luongo is probably the best goaltender in the world, and hasn't even entered his prime. He is only 28. He still has another 8-10 years AT LEAST.
man you really over value the guy. We had him on the isles and he was good, and he has gotten much better, but to say he is probably the best goaltender in the world is crazy...he is not better than
-Brodeur (and hes a Devil, and i am an isles fan)
-Lunquist (and hes a Rag, but i have to give props to him)
-Nabakov
-Guigeire
-Kipper

he is not that great, he has won 0 cups, and how many Vezinas??

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if we cant resign him but i hope we do if here are the options


anaheim

jonas hiller
david levenu
js giggure
pronger

for

Luongo
ellis minor league goaltender
schneider
edler

heres

atlanta

lethinon
kovuchuck

for

luongo
kyle wellwood


boston

tim thomas
tuku rask

for

luongo
schneider



buffalo

ryan miller
vanek

for

luongo
sedins


calgary

kipprosoff
iginla
phaneuf

for

luongo
sedins
edler


carolina

ward
staal
brind amour

for

luongo
sedins
ryan kesler


chicago

khabibulian or huet
cambell
havlat

for

luongo
kesler
edler or bieksa


colorado
budaj
svatos
hedjuk
stastney

for

luongo
sedins
kesler
burrows


columbus
mason
leclaire

for

luongo

dallas
turco
brunstrom
modano

for
luongo
kesler
sedins


detroit
osgood
conklin
zetterberg

for

luongo
schneider
sedins


edmonton

garon
roloson
hemsky
pisani
souray

for

luongo
sanford
sedins
kesler
edler
bieksa

florida
vokoun
anderson
horton

for

luongo
sanford
kesler


la

labarbra
kopitar
sullivan
dougharty
2 first round picks

for
luongo
kesler
burrows
bieksa
edler


minnesota
backstrom
koivu
gaborik

for

luongo
sedins
kesler
burrows


montreal
price
halak
koivu
kostisyen brothers

for
luongo
sanford
ellis
sedins
kesler


nashville
dan ellis
pikke rinne
arnot
rights for alex radulav


for
luongo
sanford
kesler
bernier


new jersey

brodeur
elias
roltson

for

luongo
sedins
kesler


ny islanders

dipetro
gurien
comrie

for

luongo
kesler
burrows


ny rangers

lundquist
drury


for

luongo
kesler
burrows


ottawa

heatly
spezza
martin gerber
alex auld
2 first round picks

for

luongo
sedins
kesler
sanford
ellis


philedelphia

biron
biere
richards
carter

for

luongo
kesler
burrows
sedins
demitra


pitsburgh
crosby
fleury

for

luongo
sedins
kesler
burrows
schneider
demitra
2 first round picks
1 second round picks
patrick white


san jose

nabokov
marleau
thornton

for

luongo
kesler
sedins
burrows
patrick white
demitra


st louis

mason
legace
boyes
brewer
3 first round picks

for
luongo
sedins
kesler
edler
patrick white
schnedier

tampa bay
lecaviler
smith
kolzig
ramo
andre mezorigze whatever his last name is

for

luongo
sanford
schnider
edler


toronto
toskala
stepniak
kubina
pogge
tustly
3 first round picks


for

luongo
sedins
schneider
edler


washington

ovechkin
theodore
johnson
green

for

luongo
schneider
edler

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