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04-26-2011, 06:19 PM
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More on my comment above...

I think the Rivs getting swept is alarming because when the Blues made the playoffs and got swept they missed the playoffs for two years straight afterward.

Granted, Peoria may do much, much better next season, but I stand by my original comment that getting swept was alarming.

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More on my comment above...

I think the Rivs getting swept is alarming because when the Blues made the playoffs and got swept they missed the playoffs for two years straight afterward.

Granted, Peoria may do much, much better next season, but I stand by my original comment that getting swept was alarming.
The Blues majorly overachieved the year they made it into the playoffs. Being swept in the playoffs alone doesn't indicate a regression.

It can be alarming for other reasons - such as a drastic drop-off in performance by certain players or being drastically out-coached. And if that's the case, let's talk about that instead of unreasonably merging concerns about the Blues and the Rivermen.

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04-26-2011, 06:33 PM
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The Blues majorly overachieved the year they made it into the playoffs. Being swept in the playoffs alone doesn't indicate a regression.

It can be alarming for other reasons - such as a drastic drop-off in performance by certain players or being drastically out-coached. And if that's the case, let's talk about that instead of unreasonably merging concerns about the Blues and the Rivermen.
I appreciate your opinion.

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More on my comment above...

I think the Rivs getting swept is alarming because when the Blues made the playoffs and got swept they missed the playoffs for two years straight afterward.

Granted, Peoria may do much, much better next season, but I stand by my original comment that getting swept was alarming.
AHL rosters turn over a lot from year to year. One season doesn't necessarily determine the next.

There will be a lot of new faces in Peoria next season.

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The year Murray's Blues made the playoffs, I think they went into it already operating at close to 100% of their capability. Most teams have room to elevate their level of play. I think Murray had managed to get that out of the team already. Unfortunately, that just means that they were inferior talent-wise and had nowhere to go but down when other teams (like the Canucks) picked up the pace.

With more playoff experience, individual players might have had more chance to make a difference.

This is another reason I think the international experience by guys like Backes, Tarasenko, Pietroangelo, etc. is so crucial.

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04-27-2011, 03:50 PM
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I guess you guys are right about the situation in Peoria. They have so much roster turnover that it is very difficult to predict anything from season to season.

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T.J. Hensick signs two-year, two-way contract with Peoria/Blues.

Good for the Rivermen. Probably doesn't help the Blues much.

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How did he do last year? Is he a keeper?

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I think he is now projecting to be a 4th liner if he ever gets here. I question his skating at the NHL level.

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He has certainly taken a drop in projection. What was seen in the WHL has yet to be seen in the AHL. I had high hopes for this kid (3rd liner max), but now I question him being in the NHL all together.


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So far, not really. I knew he wouldn't be able to be a scorer in the pro game like he was in the WHL (not OHL) but I projected him as a good 3rd liner/Jay McClement type and he's so far shown to not be anywhere close to that projection either. He seems to be having trouble finding a role for himself in Peoria. They seem to use him on the 4th line there and he seems to be struggling and was a healthy scratch a good number of times. This will be the last year of his ELC so hopefully he can turn things around in Peoria and regain his status as a future NHL 3rd/4th liner because right now, I don't project him as an NHLer at all at this point.

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So far, not really. I knew he wouldn't be able to be a scorer in the pro game like he was in the WHL (not OHL) but I projected him as a good 3rd liner/Jay McClement type and he's so far shown to not be anywhere close to that projection either. He seems to be having trouble finding a role for himself in Peoria. They seem to use him on the 4th line there and he seems to be struggling and was a healthy scratch a good number of times. This will be the last year of his ELC so hopefully he can turn things around in Peoria and regain his status as a future NHL 3rd/4th liner because right now, I don't project him as an NHLer at all at this point.
The odd part is it is much harder to score in the WHL then OHL and the Q. Mostly due to the D system, so I did figure he was going to be a 2nd liner. Further, in the 1st season after he was drafted, he started out the year really hot and then got injured. His PPG dropped because he came back from injury and never go into rythem.

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06-13-2011, 12:29 AM
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The odd part is it is much harder to score in the WHL then OHL and the Q. Mostly due to the D system, so I did figure he was going to be a 2nd liner. Further, in the 1st season after he was drafted, he started out the year really hot and then got injured. His PPG dropped because he came back from injury and never go into rythem.
He was a 19 year old scoring on mostly 16 year olds. I'm hedging my bet towards very good career AHLer.

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He was a 19 year old scoring on mostly 16 year olds. I'm hedging my bet towards very good career AHLer.
And there is nothing wrong with that. I'll admit, I was taken in by his 100 point season. But having a successful AHL team is important to the franchises long term health, and if he contributes to that, I'll be happy.

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06-13-2011, 12:23 PM
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He was a 19 year old scoring on mostly 16 year olds. I'm hedging my bet towards very good career AHLer.
What makes you say "mostly 16 year olds"? Kids typically play 4 years in Major Jrs - from 16 to 19. Each team is also allowed 2 "overagers" which would be 20 yr olds but those are typically kids who didn't get drafted or signed to a pro contract and want another year of Jrs in the hopes of impressing a team enough to earn a contract. For the most part, kids are 16-19 in all 3 Major Jr leagues so I would think that the average age would be around 17.5.

Actually, I just looked it up and the average age of a WHL roster right now is around 18.5 (LINK). That's recalculated daily so I would imagine that at the beginning of the season, it was more around the 17.5-17.7 range.

Sonne was one of the older players the year he put up 100 pts and that does need to be taken into account (it's not nearly as impressive as scoring 100+ pts like 17 yr olds Nugent-Hopkins, Huberdeau, Strome, etc. did this season) but it's not like his competition was all 16 yr olds either. I'm still not sure what happened to Sonne as while I never expected him to be much of a scorer at that pro level, I did expect him to contribute a good two-way game and eventually develop into a quality 3rd liner, most likely a center. What I liked about his game in Jrs and why I though he would one day be a good NHL 3rd liner was his compete level, tenacity and defensive play. Those qualities have almost completely disappeared in Peoria and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. Hopefully he regains those qualities and gets back on the right path but he sure hasn't had a good first two seasons as a pro.

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06-14-2011, 07:00 AM
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Sonne often looks hesitant and downright scared. Not NHL material and, imo, barely AHL material.

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Sonne often looks hesitant and downright scared. Not NHL material and, imo, barely AHL material.
Still too early for that. Guys like Cracknell and Porter are just now showing some lower line potential and they were drafted a few years before Sonne and by different teams. Becoming a lower line character player takes awhile imo. Guys like Sonne and Della Rovere need some development time. Having said that, I was really disappointed in the season he had.

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Sonne often looks hesitant and downright scared. Not NHL material and, imo, barely AHL material.
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"Slow start to his season (zero points first 18 games) and the lack of production presented a challenge to him. We told our team to forget the first 60 games and treat the final 20 as a new start. He embraced that and flourished and became a tremendous defensive specialist down the stretch and in playoffs. We put him out there in key situations and he delivered."
Rivermen 2010-11 Report Card at PJStar.com

Sonne did have a sophomore slump scoring-wise, going only 5-4-9 in 62 games this year... but his plus-minus figure was plus-6 better than last year (-9 this year vs. -15 last year), and he was 3-3-6 with a plus-1 and 24 PM in those last 20 games that Bednar mentions.

Sonne is still figuring out what his role is going to be as a pro. I expect that his third season next year will be his best yet in the AHL. He was drafted as a checking-line specialist, and that skill set hasn't deserted him.

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TBH I don't see an NHL future in Sonne. Maybe some call ups here and there, but as for a permanent fixture, I don't see it happening.

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TBH I don't see an NHL future in Sonne. Maybe some call ups here and there, but as for a permanent fixture, I don't see it happening.
He could probably fill a spot on the team if we end up in a position where a guy like Sobotka continues to exceed expectations in his point production and becomes too expensive for the 4th line... which would be a few years away. Still that's how you have to treat a depth prospect; someone who is going to have to hit their prime just to break into the league.

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Sonne did have a sophomore slump scoring-wise, going only 5-4-9 in 62 games this year... but his plus-minus figure was plus-6 better than last year (-9 this year vs. -15 last year), and he was 3-3-6 with a plus-1 and 24 PM in those last 20 games that Bednar mentions.

Sonne is still figuring out what his role is going to be as a pro. I expect that his third season next year will be his best yet in the AHL. He was drafted as a checking-line specialist, and that skill set hasn't deserted him.
Great! I hope I'm wrong about him.

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I think it is fair to say that we can still give the guy time to find his game and role.

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I think it is fair to say that we can still give the guy time to find his game and role.
Absolutely, I hope that he proves me wrong.

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Off-topic, but I always kind of associated Palushaj and Sonne in my mind as having similar development curves (with Palushaj having higher upside). Wonder what he's up to, but the presence of a guy like D'Agostini for Palushaj sure looks like a favorable trade.

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Off-topic, but I always kind of associated Palushaj and Sonne in my mind as having similar development curves (with Palushaj having higher upside). Wonder what he's up to, but the presence of a guy like D'Agostini for Palushaj sure looks like a favorable trade.
I think just like you said he took a similar path on Montreal's farm team and elevated himself to finish out a struggling season. Been a while since I read something specific about him though.

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