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12-13-2008, 09:55 AM
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Penner is big but he does not play big.
He's ineffective and he makes a crapload of money. I don't see why you'd trade for him.

Well, Montreal needs a designated whipping boy.

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12-13-2008, 10:02 AM
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Why ?
To get tougher but I didnt see him play much this year, I tought he was playing tough..

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12-13-2008, 10:19 AM
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It needs more MENTAL toughness than PHYSICAL toughness.

Loosing to subpar teams is awful. Look at what the Penguins and the Bruins have done in the last two days against weaker opponents. They just trashed them.

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12-13-2008, 11:13 AM
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What about S.Kostitsyn + Ryan White for Dustin Penner?
If we lose out on Sundin, I'd be more interested in taking a chance on Cole. He's UFA next year, so the risk is fairly low. But I wouldn't give SKostitsyn. Cole would have to be a bargain. As much as he's struggled this year, that's unlikely, as Lowe gave up Pitkanen for him. It might be hard to justify converting Pronger into Lupul into Pitkanen into Cole into your typical prospect + draft pick rental type of deal, at least until (if) the Oilers fall completely out of a playoff spot.

About Boston, I think they are as real or as fluke as the Habs were last year. Boston is a solid team. It has to be repeated that, but-for the very unusual 8-0 head to head record last year, Habs and Boston were very close. That was confirmed in the playoffs. I still think that Boston outplayed Montreal over those 7 games, and a big part of it was due to their team toughness.

I agree with CanadianErrant that it's really about mental toughness. It's just about willing to pay a greater physical price to get an edge over your opponent. That's what the Habs have a problem with sometimes. It's sometimes a stubborn team personality they would prefer to out-skill the other team, even if the game calls for that kind of physical battling that eventually leads to the ugly goal that makes the difference to the outcome.

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12-13-2008, 11:18 AM
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Dustin Penner isn't well conditioned enough to play in the NHL. He doesn't use his size enough either. If you think Latendresse is slow...wait till you see Penner.

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12-13-2008, 12:30 PM
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It needs more MENTAL toughness than PHYSICAL toughness.
You've nailed it there. The Habs used speed and skill to secure the number one seed in the East last year, and that's the only way they're going to succeed this year. We can't turn a team of small-ish speedy snipers into the Charlestown Chiefs. Adding Big Georges looked like a masterstroke so that we had that one guy who would prevent opponents taking liberties but he's not had the impact we hoped for, especially when he's sitting in street clothes up in the Press Box.

I really thought we had turned a corner when the team responded to blowing the three goal lead against Atlanta to win late on and then blew the Rangers away in the next fixture, but the inept and gutless performance against the hapless Lightning really made me wonder if these guys and their coach are mentally tough enough to get the job done. We don't need gloves being dropped every game, we need offensive fireworks, big hits and great goaltending. That's what gave us 100 points last year.

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12-13-2008, 12:46 PM
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I think the Canadiens need a little mentoring from Mystikal.

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12-13-2008, 02:56 PM
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I think the Canadiens need a little mentoring from Mystikal.

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12-13-2008, 03:11 PM
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You've nailed it there. The Habs used speed and skill to secure the number one seed in the East last year, and that's the only way they're going to succeed this year. We can't turn a team of small-ish speedy snipers into the Charlestown Chiefs. Adding Big Georges looked like a masterstroke so that we had that one guy who would prevent opponents taking liberties but he's not had the impact we hoped for, especially when he's sitting in street clothes up in the Press Box.

I really thought we had turned a corner when the team responded to blowing the three goal lead against Atlanta to win late on and then blew the Rangers away in the next fixture, but the inept and gutless performance against the hapless Lightning really made me wonder if these guys and their coach are mentally tough enough to get the job done. We don't need gloves being dropped every game, we need offensive fireworks, big hits and great goaltending. That's what gave us 100 points last year.
Agreed on everything... but while we always like to compare ourself to the Wings because of the way we play... the same thing applies to toughness. We rarely see the Wings players initiate the physical play ou rough up the opponents (aside from screening the goalie), they don't have goons, their play is based on skills, tactics, etc, NOT physical play... but we have yet to see them being pushed around, have their goalie ran at or anything similar... at the very worst if they ever get pushed around they won't change anything, they'll keep playing the way they're asked to...

And that's something we don't see from the Habs, if they get hit too much or pushed around, they'll stop playing, spot playing the way they were asked to that is...

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12-13-2008, 07:49 PM
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Dustin Penner isn't well conditioned enough to play in the NHL. He doesn't use his size enough either. If you think Latendresse is slow...wait till you see Penner.
Agreed, Penner has Eric Daze syndrom, he's essentially a 6'4" sniper. He's a big body and relatively slow, I don't think that Penner is the answer to Montreal's lack of team toughness.

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12-13-2008, 09:45 PM
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This team is defenitely too soft for the playoffs.

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12-15-2008, 06:31 AM
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Bring up Flinn and Henry!!! Quickly. Halak got run again against Washington. Both Flinn and Henry pounded some Leafs yesterday

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