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12-13-2008, 06:15 PM
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Taking out the big 3 I cant see anything that would pique the pens interests enough for them to move one of their young puckmovers.

If you want Dupuis though we can work something out...

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12-13-2008, 06:31 PM
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Fisher has a NMC (or NTC, I forget)

Like the Pens, I'll list who the Sens have available.

Vermette
Kelly
Neil
Foligno
Zubov
Draft Picks (maybe)


Vermette and Neil and a 1st for Whitney and a 2nd
he MAY waive it... lol

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12-13-2008, 08:03 PM
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ok what about fisher..?

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12-13-2008, 08:55 PM
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I think Goligoski's value is pretty high.

He leads all rookie defensemen in points, and is 6th overall for rookies I believe. He's also not even close to developed defensively.

Goligoski for Vermette and a 2nd or 3rd?
That's a joke proposal

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12-13-2008, 08:56 PM
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ok what about fisher..?
He's not going anywhere.

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12-13-2008, 08:57 PM
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Heatley and Spezza are the kinds of players that you build on. They're untouchable barring massive overpayment.

The guys that are very prone to trade right now:
Antoine Vermette
Brian Lee
Chris Neil
Jason Smith
Chris Kelly
But just what do you expect to get with those players, playing the way they have this year?

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12-13-2008, 08:57 PM
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But just what do you expect to get with those players, playing the way they have this year?
Nothing wrong with Lee and Vermette.

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12-13-2008, 08:58 PM
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That's a joke proposal
Given the way the year has gone for Vermette, I wouldn't think it was that much of a joke. I like AV, but I like Goligoski better given the fact that he's not inept defensively and his offensive is very underrated as well as his defense, in general.

With that, I wouldn't move Goligoski, Letang or Whitney in any deal unless it's in a package to acquire a sure fire top 6 winger from a team that is sorely lacking on defense and can spare a winger from the top 6 to get better there.

I don't think the Senators are that team. The big three are the big three and they play on the same line, Heatley, Spezza and Alfredsson are untouchables and after them, there isn't much else to really want. I like Zubov but he's still very raw and not sure what his value would be, as well I like AV but the season but even with the season he is having his value might be too much if he doesn't pan out as a top 6 for the Pens.

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12-13-2008, 09:05 PM
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Yeah the Pens/Sens aren't good trading partners. Especially when proposals involve Heatley. Gotta go to a team with better scoring depth at wing.

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12-13-2008, 09:19 PM
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Nothing wrong with Lee and Vermette.
Lee's a decent prospect, but Vermette's an offensive black hole this year on a horrible deal for what he's providing. He's like a more inept version of Pascal Dupuis this season.

Neither of them will return much of anything, at least nothing that'll turn a season around.

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12-13-2008, 09:26 PM
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I'd take Volchenkov for this team.

Gonchar-Orpik
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12-13-2008, 10:13 PM
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I'd take Volchenkov for this team.

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Yeah, Orpik would definitely be above Volchenkov.

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12-13-2008, 10:18 PM
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Lee's a decent prospect, but Vermette's an offensive black hole this year on a horrible deal for what he's providing. He's like a more inept version of Pascal Dupuis this season.

Neither of them will return much of anything, at least nothing that'll turn a season around.
He has always played perfect defensively and is starting to turn the season around. He can provide a decent return.

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12-13-2008, 10:30 PM
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He has always played perfect defensively and is starting to turn the season around. He can provide a decent return.
You won't see much of a market for a player with 5 points who's earning nearly 3 mil a year through next season, no matter how good he is defensively.

If you did, I'd trade Pascal Dupuis tomorrow. He brings pretty much everything Vermette does away from the puck, has double his points and half his salary. Maybe he'll fetch Tampa's first rounder this year.

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12-13-2008, 11:39 PM
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You won't see much of a market for a player with 5 points who's earning nearly 3 mil a year through next season, no matter how good he is defensively.

If you did, I'd trade Pascal Dupuis tomorrow. He brings pretty much everything Vermette does away from the puck, has double his points and half his salary. Maybe he'll fetch Tampa's first rounder this year.
A) Who's he been playing with?

B) Is he a top-5 face-off man like Vermette?

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12-14-2008, 09:08 AM
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A) Who's he been playing with?

B) Is he a top-5 face-off man like Vermette?
A) Can we assume every player will double their point totals playing with Crosby, because even if we could Vermette would be outscoring PD by two points.

B) Is that worth so much? If it is, what can we get for the best face-off man in the league who's also producing more than Vermette despite playing on the 4th line, very good in his own end, and on a much cheaper contract?

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12-14-2008, 09:22 AM
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A) Can we assume every player will double their point totals playing with Crosby, because even if we could Vermette would be outscoring PD by two points.

B) Is that worth so much? If it is, what can we get for the best face-off man in the league who's also producing more than Vermette despite playing on the 4th line, very good in his own end, and on a much cheaper contract?
What you are overlooking is that Vermette has a bad start to the season. If you are only going to judge him on his performance this year, then he isn't that attractive, however the best "bargains" are buying when the player is not performing up to his standard. If you look at Vermette's performance over the past several years, I think you will appreciate him more. If Vermette was up to the standards that have been set for him, he wouldn't even be available. As he isn't, the team is looking at moving him. Many teams have players in this category...

That doesn't mean you should acquire him. Just remember the start of the season when all the opposing teams said they would take the slumping Staal off your hands. I can't speak for you, but many Pens fans were not too happy with the miopic view that many teams had. Look at the bigger picture - the recent history and potential, then you will stop comparing him to frickin' Pascal Dupuis. Again, you don't have to want him, just be a little more realistic in your player comparisons.

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12-14-2008, 09:23 AM
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Yeah, Orpik would definitely be above Volchenkov.
Orpik and Gonchar have good chemistry and compliment each other's style very well. They usually seem to be able to read what the other is going to do and how to respond accordingly. It's more of a desire to keep a good pairing together than putting Orpik over Volchenkov, I'd imagine.

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12-14-2008, 09:30 AM
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Didn't they say on HNIC that Gonchar was out until maybe March?

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12-14-2008, 10:20 AM
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What you are overlooking is that Vermette has a bad start to the season. If you are only going to judge him on his performance this year, then he isn't that attractive, however the best "bargains" are buying when the player is not performing up to his standard. If you look at Vermette's performance over the past several years, I think you will appreciate him more. If Vermette was up to the standards that have been set for him, he wouldn't even be available. As he isn't, the team is looking at moving him. Many teams have players in this category...

That doesn't mean you should acquire him. Just remember the start of the season when all the opposing teams said they would take the slumping Staal off your hands. I can't speak for you, but many Pens fans were not too happy with the miopic view that many teams had. Look at the bigger picture - the recent history and potential, then you will stop comparing him to frickin' Pascal Dupuis. Again, you don't have to want him, just be a little more realistic in your player comparisons.
But it's not a bargain when he's got a contract assuming he's going to play up to his previous standard, you see.

Honestly, of course I don't think Dupuis is on the same plane as Vermette, but when you produce as he has with the money he's making, his value isn't a whole lot more than that in a cap world, and certainly not enough to fool a team into parting with a good asset for him.

And as for Staal, he's 20. Players just out of their teens on rookie deals tend to get a little more development leeway than 26 year olds on fat contracts.

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12-14-2008, 10:40 AM
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Didn't they say on HNIC that Gonchar was out until maybe March?
he could return as early as some time in january.

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12-14-2008, 10:49 AM
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To Ottawa: Ryan Whitney, Kris Letang
To Pitts: Antoine Vermette, Ilya Zubov, 1st Rounder

I think Letang could be on the market if pitts get good offer for him.. And imo pitts have more than enough defensemen atm so why not trade a few. Sens would probably get rid of Kuba after this trade and send Lee & Bell back to ahl.

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If your asking for a strong protecive winger, why not just take Neil, I think the Neil + Vemette + First for Whitney + 2nd round makes the most sense.

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12-14-2008, 12:34 PM
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Didn't they say on HNIC that Gonchar was out until maybe March?
haha all those votes for all star game were pointless bring in volchenkov! possibly the best blocker in the league for the past 4 years?

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12-14-2008, 12:35 PM
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To Ottawa: Ryan Whitney, Kris Letang
To Pitts: Antoine Vermette, Ilya Zubov, 1st Rounder
presise wich first rounder ottawa has 2

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