HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Sundin Signs with Canucks (Official)!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-16-2008, 08:36 PM
  #276
SedinFan*
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta
Posts: 10,542
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to SedinFan*
Ya, Naslund's a big *****.

SedinFan* is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:38 PM
  #277
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,198
vCash: 500
LOL, watch Sundin pull a Gretzky and sign with the Rangers because Gillis went ahead and stated that he would make a decision by Thursday and not that Thursday is the earliest.

Peter Griffin is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:39 PM
  #278
pitseleh
Registered User
 
pitseleh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HurtsDonut View Post
vancouver sun
Why is this the least surprising news I've gotten all day?

pitseleh is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:41 PM
  #279
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,748
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pitseleh View Post
Why is this the least surprising news I've gotten all day?
And why does it still get me every time? I really thought Thursday was the day. I now understand why battered wives stay with their husbands.

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:46 PM
  #280
timorousme
luongod
 
timorousme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,577
vCash: 50
the talk lately has been sundin joining a team after christmas, and friday is the roster freeze, so.....

i gotta say that if this week passes and there's no activity, it's probably because sundin chose NY and is waiting for them to clear cap space (i still don't get why sundin would choose a team that would be shedding talent to get him if he wants to be on a contending team)

timorousme is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:53 PM
  #281
Ogie Goldthorpe
Piloted Ogre Hog
 
Ogie Goldthorpe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NS via BC
Posts: 2,840
vCash: 500
I dunno, at this point I think it might be good to miss Sundin and pick up whoever the Rangers have to drop to make the cap.

Ogie Goldthorpe is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 08:59 PM
  #282
Mr. Canucklehead
Mod Supervisor
The Modfather
 
Mr. Canucklehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Kitimat, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,595
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastvanmungo View Post
I dunno, at this point I think it might be good to miss Sundin and pick up whoever the Rangers have to drop to make the cap.
As I said before, I wouldn't mind Gomez--even at his salary. Only 28 years old, 2 Stanley Cup rings so he has a winning resume, locked up long term, has averaged almost a point per game in the playoffs in recent years...would be a deadly addition to our top six. And we could probably get him for well below market value if the Rags are in salary dump mode. And really, I ask again, what alternatives are out there as far as top line centers go?

~Canucklehead~

Mr. Canucklehead is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 09:05 PM
  #283
Canucksrock
Registered User
 
Canucksrock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Victoria/Surrey
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,594
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Canucklehead View Post
As I said before, I wouldn't mind Gomez--even at his salary. Only 28 years old, 2 Stanley Cup rings so he has a winning resume, locked up long term, has averaged almost a point per game in the playoffs in recent years...would be a deadly addition to our top six. And we could probably get him for well below market value if the Rags are in salary dump mode. And really, I ask again, what alternatives are out there as far as top line centers go?

~Canucklehead~
It just does not make sense economically to saddle yourself with that type of contract. Especially with the cap going down. I think it would be better to see if wellwood/hodgson can pull it out then a take on that huge/lengthy salary. Gomez is somebody that can stay far far away far as I am concerned.

Canucksrock is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 09:07 PM
  #284
Jyrki21
I want tangibles!
 
Jyrki21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Ottawa, ON
Country: Lesotho
Posts: 5,676
vCash: 500
Honestly, J.P. Barry's reply sounded like self-satire. It was exactly the type of thing guys post on here as a joke... "Mats won't confirm whether he got out of bed this morning, but that doesn't mean he's denying it, etc."

Jyrki21 is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 09:09 PM
  #285
MKennedy
Registered User
 
MKennedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 892
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneDayAsALion View Post
I personally don't think Sundin is the Jesus Christ everyone is making him out to be and I hope we only sign him for one year. However, I'd like him on this team. With that said the only thing I'm really feeling after reading all the posts in this thread is that Markus Naslund is a little ****** and I regret being a fan of his.
Mats will not sign anything longer than a 1yr contract. I think that's a gurantee, or at least it sounds like it from everything I've read. I think it's a good thing though, I want Sundin just as much as the next guy but anything longer than this year at $10 million is to much imho.

I want this team to see if they could honestly make a serious run at Hossa and Jay BO if they make it to free agency, and for them to do it, we need that $10 mil and more to go after those guys.

edit: Id let Ohlund walk, and try and re-sign the sedins for $5-$5.5 to hopefully play on a 2nd line behind Hossa and Demitra.

MKennedy is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 09:13 PM
  #286
Peter Griffin
Registered User
 
Peter Griffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucksrock View Post
It just does not make sense economically to saddle yourself with that type of contract. Especially with the cap going down. I think it would be better to see if wellwood/hodgson can pull it out then a take on that huge/lengthy salary. Gomez is somebody that can stay far far away far as I am concerned.
It makes sense only if Gillis has no intention whatsoever of re-signing the Sedins. Gomez' style of play fits what Gillis wants better IMO. He's fast, smart offensively, can be gritty and is a proven winner. His biggest downside is his contract obviously, but if you're paying 10 cents on the dollar it could be somewhat overlooked.

It wouldn't be surprising for me in the least if Gillis did make a move for Gomez and then targeted one of Gaborik/Hossa, or maybe even both, in the off-season. Although for both to come here they would have to take serious paycuts, but who knows, with the season Gaborik has had perhaps he's in line for taking a cheaper one year deal in hopes of having a HUGE season?

Peter Griffin is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:05 PM
  #287
FruityPants3*
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,199
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Griffin View Post
It makes sense only if Gillis has no intention whatsoever of re-signing the Sedins. Gomez' style of play fits what Gillis wants better IMO. He's fast, smart offensively, can be gritty and is a proven winner. His biggest downside is his contract obviously, but if you're paying 10 cents on the dollar it could be somewhat overlooked.

It wouldn't be surprising for me in the least if Gillis did make a move for Gomez and then targeted one of Gaborik/Hossa, or maybe even both, in the off-season. Although for both to come here they would have to take serious paycuts, but who knows, with the season Gaborik has had perhaps he's in line for taking a cheaper one year deal in hopes of having a HUGE season?
Now that's an interesting scenario.

FruityPants3* is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:14 PM
  #288
pdefenestrator
Registered User
 
pdefenestrator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Raleigh, NC
Country: United States
Posts: 561
vCash: 50
Not sure if anybody posted this yet:

Quote:
Quote:
Sportsnet has learned that New York's offer is less than half the deal the Canucks have tabled, which would leave Sundin well below fair market value. The Rangers are trying to avoid dismantling the team to make room for Sundin. That way, the Rangers would not be forced to trade some of their high-priced talent like Michal Rozsival, Wade Redden, Scott Gomez or Chris Drury. Otherwise, New York would have to free up US$2.8 million, as some reports suggest, to sign Sundin for the second half of the season.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/...llis_thursday/

Will be pretty disappointing if he is willing to play at a discount for the Rangers instead of playing for way above value in Vancouver.

pdefenestrator is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:17 PM
  #289
gobi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Paradise, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
Christ, couldn't we have sent him some that were in good condition?
That really cracked me up...hahaha

gobi is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:21 PM
  #290
*Injektilo
Registered User
 
*Injektilo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: France
Posts: 11,706
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdefenestrator View Post
Will be pretty disappointing if he is willing to play at a discount for the Rangers instead of playing for way above value in Vancouver.
Dude, the disappointment occurred months ago. If he really wanted to play here, he would have signed already. But no, the only reason why the Canucks are in the picture is because of the crazy money Gillis is willing to offer.

Here are the possible endgames:

1. Signs with the Rangers, which is clearly the team he really wants to play for. Watch him work hard and try to get on a cup run, being the Sundin of old.

2. He signs here, only because he doesn't feel like his career is over yet. Watch him go through the motions and float around collecting paycheques.

3. He decides to retire. Who cares.

There's not a single scenario here that I find appealing.

*Injektilo is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:33 PM
  #291
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,748
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Injektilo View Post
Dude, the disappointment occurred months ago. If he really wanted to play here, he would have signed already. But no, the only reason why the Canucks are in the picture is because of the crazy money Gillis is willing to offer.

Here are the possible endgames:

1. Signs with the Rangers, which is clearly the team he really wants to play for. Watch him work hard and try to get on a cup run, being the Sundin of old.

2. He signs here, only because he doesn't feel like his career is over yet. Watch him go through the motions and float around collecting paycheques.

3. He decides to retire. Who cares.

There's not a single scenario here that I find appealing.
In absolutely no way do those comprise a comprehensive set of "endgames".

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:40 PM
  #292
Rover*
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,845
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Injektilo View Post
Dude, the disappointment occurred months ago. If he really wanted to play here, he would have signed already. But no, the only reason why the Canucks are in the picture is because of the crazy money Gillis is willing to offer.

Here are the possible endgames:

1. Signs with the Rangers, which is clearly the team he really wants to play for. Watch him work hard and try to get on a cup run, being the Sundin of old.

2. He signs here, only because he doesn't feel like his career is over yet. Watch him go through the motions and float around collecting paycheques.

3. He decides to retire. Who cares.

There's not a single scenario here that I find appealing.
I have no fear of sundin dogging it just cause we're not his first choice. Got zero problems with being sundin's team by default, cause I expect him to play just as hard as he would with the rangers. To think otherwise is pretty dumb.

Rover* is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:50 PM
  #293
pitseleh
Registered User
 
pitseleh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdefenestrator View Post
Not sure if anybody posted this yet:



http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/...llis_thursday/

Will be pretty disappointing if he is willing to play at a discount for the Rangers instead of playing for way above value in Vancouver.
Let's just hope that Barry has some influence over the decision and convinces Sundin to sign the bigger contract so that he can collect a bigger fee.

The less than half of Vancouver's offer thing is about exactly what people were predicting (between $4-4.5 million pro-rated) after they waive Kalinin and Prucha.

pitseleh is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:52 PM
  #294
CCF23
Registered User
 
CCF23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Richmond, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,788
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to CCF23
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdefenestrator View Post
Not sure if anybody posted this yet:



http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/...llis_thursday/

Will be pretty disappointing if he is willing to play at a discount for the Rangers instead of playing for way above value in Vancouver.
Looks like the Rangers aren't willing to clear a big contract.

He's gonna be a Canuck. No way he signs for $4.5 mil.



This is huge...I really think this news ices it.

CCF23 is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:53 PM
  #295
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,748
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CCF23 View Post
Looks like the Rangers aren't willing to clear a big contract.

He's gonna be a Canuck. No way he signs for $4.5 mil.



This is huge...I really think this news ices it.
I might curb my enthusiasm if I were you. Just a thought.

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:59 PM
  #296
CCF23
Registered User
 
CCF23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Richmond, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,788
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to CCF23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Battle Axe View Post
I might curb my enthusiasm if I were you. Just a thought.
I know...We're cursed. I just don't see him signing with New York for half the money we're offering him. Maybe if NY was a far superior team to us, but they aren't.

We'll see what happens, but I'm VERY confident from the tone of Gillis in his interview today, the fact that Gillis and Barry met twice in the last 2 days, and because of this news that the Rangers do not look prepared to deal away a big contract they'd need to to offer him a competitive salary.

CCF23 is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 10:59 PM
  #297
CanucksOo
Registered User
 
CanucksOo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: California
Country: United States
Posts: 6,253
vCash: 500
This may have been discussed before (what am i thinking, this was discussed before), but can his contract include bonuses which count towards next season's cap?

CanucksOo is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 11:01 PM
  #298
Timmy
Registered User
 
Timmy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,694
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanucksOo View Post
This may have been discussed before (what am i thinking, this was discussed before), but can his contract include bonuses which count towards next season's cap?

Nein.

Timmy is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 11:01 PM
  #299
pitseleh
Registered User
 
pitseleh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanucksOo View Post
This may have been discussed before (what am i thinking, this was discussed before), but can his contract include bonuses which count towards next season's cap?
Nope. In the past you could give an over 35 player bonuses that could be counted against the next season's cap if they put you over the cap this season, but that clause isn't in effect this season because the NHLPA has the option to re-open the CBA this season.

pitseleh is offline  
Old
12-16-2008, 11:03 PM
  #300
CCF23
Registered User
 
CCF23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Richmond, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,788
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to CCF23
So am I the only one that thinks the news of the NY offer is a huge point in our favour?

CCF23 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:43 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.