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03-04-2004, 04:29 PM
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oupss.... sorry I didn't see the thread with the same subject...you can close it.

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I think Kilger and Dackell are probably up for grabs
I'd say Dackell and Perreault. Kilger is cheap and can play all forward positions, pretty useful for a 14th forward come playoff time. One of Dackell/Juneau should go with Dowd in, I'd have to value Juneau's playoff experience more than Andy's, so Dackell should go. Perreault is useless, I don't want to waste a roster spot on him just incase Koivu or Ribeiro goes down, we're screwed if they do anyways. Time to get that 4th pick back by moving Yanic, maybe even a 3rd.

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03-04-2004, 05:04 PM
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Just for fun, here's the roster:

F Saku Koivu
F Mike Ribeiro
F Michael Ryder
F Richard Zednik
F Alexei Kovalev (god I almost forgot him!)
F Pierre Dagenais
F Niklas Sundstrom
F Joe Juneau
F Andreas Dackell
F Jim Dowd
F Steve Begin
F Jason Ward
F Darren Langdon
F Yannic "the great" Perreault
F Chad Kilger

D Andrei Markov
D Patrice Brisebois
D Craig Rivet
D Francis Bouillon
D Mike Komisarek
D Stephane Quintal
D Karl Dykhuis

G Jose Theodore
G Mathieu Garon

That makes 24 players, isn't it?

And with the return of Bulis and Souray, we need to get rid of one defenseman and two forwards.

My bet: Karl Dykhuis (Hamilton), Chad Kilger (trade) and Andreas Dackell (waivers).


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03-04-2004, 05:31 PM
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I'd say Dackell and Perreault. Kilger is cheap and can play all forward positions, pretty useful for a 14th forward come playoff time. One of Dackell/Juneau should go with Dowd in, I'd have to value Juneau's playoff experience more than Andy's, so Dackell should go. Perreault is useless, I don't want to waste a roster spot on him just incase Koivu or Ribeiro goes down, we're screwed if they do anyways. Time to get that 4th pick back by moving Yanic, maybe even a 3rd.
Perreault has a non-trade clause and doesn't want to be trade.

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03-04-2004, 05:39 PM
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I'm not certain that they have to move anyone. I was listening to an interview with Scotty Bowman today, and he mentioned that the rosters are expanded after the trade deadline. Assuming the Habs' numbers of players was ok before the injuries to Bulis and Sundstrom, then it's probably safe to say the 2 new players they picked up won't have to bump anyone. To get ready for the playoffs, it won't hurt to have extra players anyways.

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03-04-2004, 06:29 PM
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Obviously another winger would be very appreciated but we have to work with what we got right now and that's a decision between Perreault,Dagenais and other players.
What do you do with them?
You guys are forgetting about chemistry, you cant change the whole line-up going into the playoffs.... leave dags with ribs.... he might not be the best fit, but he and ribs are good friends and along with ryder, they look good as a line.... perreault is small and over the hill... koivu can take the important faceoffs

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03-04-2004, 06:54 PM
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its quite simple if you look at it,

unless gainey is planning on having bulis wing the 2nd line which i truely doubt, his next trade will involve a tough forchecking skillfull winger.

both dagenias and perreault are not in the habs playoff picture, niether are 1st or second line material and for sure niether are 3rd or 4th line material in the playoffs.
*(note they might keep yanic as an insurance being the 13th F in)

this deal with dowd comming over is a great move which definiatly doesnt just effect kilger but junaeu as well.

- i am 100% sure gainey's not planning on having dagenias or yanic playing on our 2nd line wing.

the question of the hour is: is BG comfortable and content with having a offencivly deprived but solid 2 way player in bulis on our second line???

i think he isnt content with that type of 2nd line.
i think he'll get a nice 2nd line aquisition to play with ribs and ryder,
and once bulis and sunny come back the 3rd and 4th line's will have CRAZY depth


bulis - begin - sundstrom <--------- thats a 3rd line to be proud of, and could shut down other teams top lines.

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03-04-2004, 06:57 PM
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When are people going to understand this! U are absolutely right! Because Perrault score a couple goals lately that he's good and that Dagenais has a great shot he must stay with Ribs? Dagenais would be useful only if he could create his own shot but he cant, and Perrault he's as soft as they come. Wake up people!
thats what ive been saying as well but for now theyre fillers, but definaitly NOT in our playoff picture.

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its quite simple if you look at it,

unless gainey is planning on having bulis wing the 2nd line which i truely doubt, his next trade will involve a tough forchecking skillfull winger.

both dagenias and perreault are not in the habs playoff picture, niether are 1st or second line material and for sure niether are 3rd or 4th line material in the playoffs.
*(note they might keep yanic as an insurance being the 13th F in)

this deal with dowd comming over is a great move which definiatly doesnt just effect kilger but junaeu as well.

- i am 100% sure gainey's not planning on having dagenias or yanic playing on our 2nd line wing.

the question of the hour is: is BG comfortable and content with having a offencivly deprived but solid 2 way player in bulis on our second line???

i think he isnt content with that type of 2nd line.
i think he'll get a nice 2nd line aquisition to play with ribs and ryder,
and once bulis and sunny come back the 3rd and 4th line's will have CRAZY depth


bulis - begin - sundstrom <--------- thats a 3rd line to be proud of, and could shut down other teams top lines.
who could he get to play on the second line?
lindros, oneill or cole, and who else?

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03-04-2004, 07:12 PM
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who could he get to play on the second line?
lindros, oneill or cole, and who else?
any of those guyz would help this teams second line
cole i dont really think is available, o'niell if he plays the way he should or if he's a safe bet BG has to think long and hard, lindross no doubt he's comming back to prove something but he's a HUGE gamble. morosov would be cheap kinda cheap but a gamble as well and not too gritty
i dont hink we'll be trying to get satan.
i think rucinsky would fit very well on our second and would be cheaper then all of these other guyz.


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Dagenais is soft too...and it worked....Perreault is more sniper than Dagenais and he knows he's dangerous from the slot...
I have to disagree completely. Dagenais is more of a sniper and while both are soft, when Dagenais sees a puck in the crease he goes after it hard. Perreault waits around to see if will come back to him.

Although he isn't particularly tough, Dagenais also works harder in the offensive corners than Perreault.

As for keeping Perreault as a depth player, after Koivu, Ribeiro, Dowd and Juneau,we still have Begin and Bulis who can play center. Just how much depth do we need at center.

Moving Perreault wouldn't hurt my feelings.

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03-04-2004, 07:21 PM
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any of those guyz would help this teams second line
cole i dont really think is available, o'niell if he plays the way he should or if he's a safe bet BG has to think long and hard, lindross no doubt he's comming back to prove something but he's a HUGE gamble. morosov would be cheap kinda cheap but a gamble as well and not too gritty
i dont hink we'll be trying to get satan.
i think rucinsky would fit very well on our second and would be cheaper then all of these other guyz.
what about savard or mceachern in atlanta?

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Moving Perreault wouldn't hurt my feelings.
id have a party if he's moved
but lets look at some of the tangebles
-no trade clause (he'd have to waive it)
-he would be a rent a player for any team wanting him (ufa july 1st)
-i dont think anyone wants him anymore.

i think were stuck

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what about savard or mceachern in atlanta?
savard = another small centre no use , i also dont think atlanta will deal him
mceachern dont think so but who knows.

what really is impressive about rucinsky is his defencive game has vastly improved as he's a +17 on that rangers squad and he'd come really cheap.

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savard = another small centre no use , i also dont think atlanta will deal him
mceachern dont think so but who knows.

what really is impressive about rucinsky is his defencive game has vastly improved as he's a +17 on that rangers squad and he'd come really cheap.
who in the west would be available? its propably more likely to get a deal done with a western team.

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Perreault has a non-trade clause and doesn't want to be trade.
I'm sure that if BG mentions to Perreault that a team like Detroit or St-Louis wants him (i.e a Western Conference contender) he'll wave his no-trade clause.

I think the Habs should hang on to him. He is quite useful in his own way and the team would probably get a 4th rounder or perhaps better in compensation from the league when he signs elsewhere this summer.

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I'm sure that if BG mentions to Perreault that a team like Detroit or St-Louis wants him (i.e a Western Conference contender) he'll wave his no-trade clause.

I think the Habs should hang on to him. He is quite useful in his own way and the team would probably get a 4th rounder or perhaps better in compensation from the league when he signs elsewhere this summer.
Detroit maybe, St.Louis well they are on the outside looking in in the West, pretty sure that would be vetod.

Perreault will only be traded to another NHL playoff team, he is a UFA and would be of no use to a team not making the playoffs. I think trading Perreault maybe hard to do.

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who in the west would be available? its propably more likely to get a deal done with a western team.
These teams come to mind right away, Edmonton does to but Lowe has me scratching my head with that Nedved deal...so I'm confused to know if he will be a seller or not.

Phoenix, Gratton.
St.Louis, Drake.
Colombus, Cassels and Sanderson.
Anaheim, Rob Niedermeyer?

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These teams come to mind right away, Edmonton does to but Lowe has me scratching my head with that Nedved deal...so I'm confused to know if he will be a seller or not.

Phoenix, Gratton.
St.Louis, Drake.
Colombus, Cassels and Sanderson.
Anaheim, Rob Niedermeyer?
what about rucchin in anaheim? hes 33 so he cant be the future there.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/player...e?statsId=1164

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what about rucchin in anaheim? hes 33 so he cant be the future there.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/player...e?statsId=1164
He is their Captain and I think he re-signed to a big deal in the summer, plus to get him I think one would have to pay a lot to get him.

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For those who wanted Lindors, I heard he is hurt to the shoulders (Sportsnet?) Anyway, i saw it on Trades & Rumors board.... Out for a while... No trade

Im happy on that one, I didn't want Lindros

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How about a guy like Shawn McEachern? He is a good vetern player and probably wouldn't cost us too much. His contract is at 2 million and he still has some good legs on him. So we could have:

Zednik-Koivu-Kovalev
Ryder-Ribeiro-McEachern

That doesn't look to bad to me. He has 47 points this season.

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How about a guy like Shawn McEachern? He is a good vetern player and probably wouldn't cost us too much. His contract is at 2 million and he still has some good legs on him. So we could have:

Zednik-Koivu-Kovalev
Ryder-Ribeiro-McEachern

That doesn't look to bad to me. He has 47 points this season.
i thought of him too. what would he cost?

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i thought of him too. what would he cost?
Don't know what he would cost but it would be nice if we could land him for a draft pick but that isn't likely....Waddell doesn't make very many moves so he would probably he looking for a player in return.

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