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12-18-2008, 06:49 PM
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Are There Any Sather Backers Left?

This guy has been a terrible GM for the Rangers. After whining about the Rangers "ruining hockey with their $$$" when he was in Edmonton, he came here and immediately did the same thing.......signing and trading for aging, overpaid stars. The exception was the Jagr deal, on which he had the Capitals over a barrel. Otherwise, he has taken the easy way out by overpaying for everyone he could. Now we see just the first result.....no flexibility and a guy that could have really helped off to Vancouver. Get used to it, because this guy's rule over the franchise will be painful for many years to come.

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Smart man, he knows what he's doing. We'll be fine, he's got a plan.

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You mean is there anyone here who's willing to be patient with this team. Let them improve. Give the younger guys to become more consistent? And see what this team looks like in April?

Yes, there's at least one.

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You mean is there anyone here who's willing to be patient with this team. Let them improve. Give the younger guys to become more consistent? And see what this team looks like in April?

Yes, there's at least one.
or 2.

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You mean is there anyone here who's willing to be patient with this team. Let them improve. Give the younger guys to become more consistent? And see what this team looks like in April?

Yes, there's at least one.
Gonna be tought keeping all those young kids around when half our salary is going to 5 players.

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This guy has been a terrible GM for the Rangers. After whining about the Rangers "ruining hockey with their $$$" when he was in Edmonton, he came here and immediately did the same thing.......signing and trading for aging, overpaid stars. The exception was the Jagr deal, on which he had the Capitals over a barrel. Otherwise, he has taken the easy way out by overpaying for everyone he could. Now we see just the first result.....no flexibility and a guy that could have really helped off to Vancouver. Get used to it, because this guy's rule over the franchise will be painful for many years to come.
Wheres that short list of teams that have made the playoffs every year post lockout? I'm getting tired of all the whining around here. We're first in our division and in the midst of a west coast trip which we've started off 2-0. It's not like its 2002 or anything.

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He's not very good. The Redden and Roszival contracts will kill us for years to come.

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Gonna be tought keeping all those young kids around when half our salary is going to 5 players.
Can you tell me tomorrow's lotto numbers? You seem to know the future so maybe you can help me out.

Yeah god forbid we couldn't give a player a pro-rated 10 million dollar contract that about only 8 teams in the NHL could afford, all of which are no higher than 3rd in the respective divisions.

Man, imagine if this team didn't make the playoffs the last 3 years.

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Wheres that short list of teams that have made the playoffs every year post lockout? I'm getting tired of all the whining around here. We're first in our division and in the midst of a west coast trip which we've started off 2-0. It's not like its 2002 or anything.

Yeah, we're decent, but Sather still messed up the team in the offseason.

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Zherdev. That is all!

Atleast he got some things done right. Zherdev, Henrik, Mara, Girardi, Betts, Sjo...

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Wheres that short list of teams that have made the playoffs every year post lockout?
In the East? Only the Devils, Sens and Rangers.

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Exactly. How many years equal being patient? Is 10 years of Sather not enough to prove that he is no longer capable of building a team? Have 3 one to two-round playoff years forgiven the 7 non-playoff years before them? Where was the development then?

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Staal, Lundqvist, Girardi, Dubinsky, Zherdev, Korpedo, Del Zotto, Saugenetti, Anisimov -- Yes there are Sather backers.

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Yeah, we're decent, but Sather still messed up the team in the offseason.
I'm glad you know the outcome of all our signings. You must have known Bure was going to have an early ending to his career as well, no? I guess that was a foolish trade. Again we're all waiting on those lotto numbers.

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Exactly. How many years equal being patient? Is 10 years of Sather not enough to prove that he is no longer capable of building a team? Have 3 one to two-round playoff years forgiven the 7 non-playoff years before them? Where was the development then?
This argument would be a lot more effective is the three straight playoff appearances came at the start of that 10 year period.

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You mean is there anyone here who's willing to be patient with this team. Let them improve. Give the younger guys to become more consistent? And see what this team looks like in April?

Yes, there's at least one.
Completely agree. While the addition of Sundin looks good on paper, I really don't know how his play would have fit in with this roster. If no moves are made, and we get smoked in the first round, then Sather did not do a good job. However, its very possible Sather has an idea of what he wants the team to be like, and he did not want to move a lot of pieces in order to bring in Sundin. BTW, not a huge Sather fan to begin with, but losing out on Sundin isn't going to make me think the man is doing a terrible job.

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Completely agree. While the addition of Sundin looks good on paper, I really don't know how his play would have fit in with this roster. If no moves are made, and we get smoked in the first round, then Sather did not do a good job. However, its very possible Sather has an idea of what he wants the team to be like, and he did not want to move a lot of pieces in order to bring in Sundin. BTW, not a huge Sather fan to begin with, but losing out on Sundin isn't going to make me think the man is doing a terrible job.
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or 2.
I am all in - call me #3.

Since the question has been answered, does the thread need to continue?

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I'm glad you know the outcome of all our signings. You must have known Bure was going to have an early ending to his career as well, no? I guess that was a foolish trade. Again we're all waiting on those lotto numbers.
Wade Redden hasn't been effective in two seasons and Sather signed him for 6.25 per. Thus far, not only hasn't he played up to the standards of a player making 6.25 per, but he's actually been pretty bad. If we're lucky, he'll be an average player, but making more than double what he should be. He signed him because he was a sexy name, and apparently didn't do his homework. You always have to be wary of signings when your GM goes, "He needs a change of scenery." Sometimes that works out, but more often than not, the player that is signed is just not the player they once were. Also, Rozy was badly overpaid. He was bad in the 2nd half last year and besides last nights heroics, he's been bad this year. We would have been better off signing Streit to be the PP QB we so desperately need and signing Orpik to be the physical defenseman we so desperately need.

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The Redden & Rosival contracts may be his undoing.

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Can you tell me tomorrow's lotto numbers? You seem to know the future so maybe you can help me out.

Yeah god forbid we couldn't give a player a pro-rated 10 million dollar contract that about only 8 teams in the NHL could afford, all of which are no higher than 3rd in the respective divisions.

Man, imagine if this team didn't make the playoffs the last 3 years.
I don't care about not signing Sundin. Hell, I didn't even want Sundin in the first place. I just wanted something to go down in order to make room for him to change this team up.

You can't honestly tell me that you're happy with the contracts he game to Redden, Drury, and Rozsival. Those contracts are going to kill us and prevent us from making moves in the future.

If the cap reamins flat like it's said to be. Next season we'll have 36 million dollars locked up into 6 players (Gomez, Drury, Naslund, Redden, Rozsival, Lundqvist). The only other players we have signed into next season are Girardi, Staal, and Voros. These three players add approximately 3.3 more to that 36. That's 39.3 million tied into 9 players. We'd still have to sign 8 more starting forwards, 2 more starting defenseman, and a back up goalie. All with approximately 20 mil in cap space.

20 million dollars for 11 players. And if you're expecting to bring back Dubinsky, Zherdev, Mara, etc...these three alone will command around half that.

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Wade Redden hasn't been effective in two seasons and Sather signed him for 6.25 per. Thus far, not only hasn't he played up to the standards of a player making 6.25 per, but he's actually been pretty bad. If we're lucky, he'll be an average player, but making more than double what he should be. He signed him because he was a sexy name, and apparently didn't do his homework. You always have to be wary of signings when your GM goes, "He needs a change of scenery." Sometimes that works out, but more often than not, the player that is signed is just not the player they once were. Also, Rozy was badly overpaid. He was bad in the 2nd half last year and besides last nights heroics, he's been bad this year. We would have been better off signing Streit to be the PP QB we so desperately need and signing Orpik to be the physical defenseman we so desperately need.
Man, we should have picked up St Louis off waivers, drafted someone other than Jessiman in 2003 and traded Montoya 4 years earlier.

Oooh, how about trading Lundmark when he was a hot commodity!

Man, 20/20 hindsight rules!

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Wade Redden hasn't been effective in two seasons and Sather signed him for 6.25 per. Thus far, not only hasn't he played up to the standards of a player making 6.25 per, but he's actually been pretty bad. If we're lucky, he'll be an average player, but making more than double what he should be. He signed him because he was a sexy name, and apparently didn't do his homework. You always have to be wary of signings when your GM goes, "He needs a change of scenery." Sometimes that works out, but more often than not, the player that is signed is just not the player they once were. Also, Rozy was badly overpaid. He was bad in the 2nd half last year and besides last nights heroics, he's been bad this year. We would have been better off signing Streit to be the PP QB we so desperately need and signing Orpik to be the physical defenseman we so desperately need.
This has been talked about ad nauseum. Redden received the same offer from other GM's and Orpik did not want to leave Pitts.

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Lets see what Slats does now after getting the Sundin door shut in his face.

Have to believe that there is a plan B to help this teams putrid offense.

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