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12-22-2008, 02:14 PM
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Gaborik or Kovalchuk

Would Atlanta or Minn do this for either?

Briere, Giroux or (JVR), 1st rounder

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Would Atlanta or Minn do this for either?

Briere, Giroux or (JVR), 1st rounder
I see you put your 2nd post ever to good use.

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Ugh. If you're trading Briere, we can't be getting back MORE salary for the forwards.

Not to mention it's a pipe dream...

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12-22-2008, 02:21 PM
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Would Atlanta or Minn do this for either?

Briere, Giroux or (JVR), 1st rounder
The Flyers can't possibly take on salary without including Briere, Lupul and Randy Jones in the deal.

So, no dice.

Nice high post count also, awesome.

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Would Atlanta or Minn do this for either?

Briere, Giroux or (JVR), 1st rounder
yeah, what ToTheNet said.

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12-22-2008, 02:30 PM
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Gbaorik is injured way to much

I would love Kovy but we could not trade Briere- NMC

hopefully you next few posts are just as valuable

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Again, Briere has a no movement clause.

Also, that makes no sense from a Philly standpoint for many reason.s

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Ugh. If you're trading Briere, we can't be getting back MORE salary for the forwards.

Not to mention it's a crack pipe dream...
Fixed.

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12-22-2008, 03:19 PM
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Well it would never happen from our end, but yes I think you could get one of them for that package.

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Between the 2 it's an easy pick for me and it would be Kovalchuk,however Briere will not waive his NTC and also I know Kovy is a superstar and all but im not ready to move Giroux or JVR,call me crazy but I woulnd't move them

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12-23-2008, 09:20 AM
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Why am I getting crap for just joining up? yes this is my second post but everyone has to start somewhere don't they...

This was just a what if... I checked salaries and this would work that way. I do know Briere has a NMC so he would have to agree but when he comes back why would he want to play 3rd line center? The way Richards and Carter are playing you can't change that up, and we saw that Briere can't play wing effectivley.

Tell him he can play #1 cnter for either of those teams and he might go.

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Why am I getting crap for just joining up? yes this is my second post but everyone has to start somewhere don't they...

This was just a what if... I checked salaries and this would work that way. I do know Briere has a NMC so he would have to agree but when he comes back why would he want to play 3rd line center? The way Richards and Carter are playing you can't change that up, and we saw that Briere can't play wing effectivley.

Tell him he can play #1 cnter for either of those teams and he might go.
don't let them get you down. around here (hf boards in general), posts=credibility. when they see an admittedly outlandish idea (gaborik/kovalchuk don't really fit this team's needs atm) and a low post count, people can be quick to dismiss you as dumb. considering how many dumb people crawl these boards, its nothing personal, just a matter of convenience.

i agree that briere's role is diminishing, but he's also still able to contribute in a huge way and there's no denying his abilities in the post-season. i highly doubt briere waives his NMC unless richards and carter severely take down his ice-time. in the event he is traded, our more immediate needs are at defense and goaltending, not more forwards.

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[QUOTE=LEIFey;16955764]don't let them get you down. around here (hf boards in general), posts=credibility. when they see an admittedly outlandish idea (gaborik/kovalchuk don't really fit this team's needs atm) and a low post count, people can be quick to dismiss you as dumb. considering how many dumb people crawl these boards, its nothing personal, just a matter of convenience.
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Yea! In your face n00b!!!!

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People need to stop with the 'trade Briere' proposals.

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Neither of those guys. I'd rather trade all that for Dany Heatley. We get an awesome winger - who can play Philly hockey - and I think Briere may accept that trade because it's to a potential (or recent) Cup contender. Close to Quebec...but not in Quebec. I think he might OK that deal.

Why would Briere waive his NTC to play in Atlanta? I would rather be a 3rd line center on a Cup contender than have a career in anonymous purgatory (at best) with Atlanta. There's a reason Kovalchuck wants out. Horrible coaching style for an offensive player. And then... Kovy's playing style does not suit Philly any better than Briere's.

fwiw I am happy with Briere on Philly. No issues if he stays here and keeps scoring 30+... or learns maybe one day (please) to play defense while putting in 20+.


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Well i just traded ryan parent and Matsumoto to florida for Jay bo. I think we should try this trade in real life.

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Why am I getting crap for just joining up? yes this is my second post but everyone has to start somewhere don't they...

This was just a what if... I checked salaries and this would work that way. I do know Briere has a NMC so he would have to agree but when he comes back why would he want to play 3rd line center? The way Richards and Carter are playing you can't change that up, and we saw that Briere can't play wing effectivley.

Tell him he can play #1 cnter for either of those teams and he might go.

It's not because this was only your second post but that there is a whole other thread about Briere and him NOT ever getting traded. ANY thread that has Briere going anywhere is just plain stupid no matter WHO posts it or how many posts they have. Briere has a NMC and only he can agree to be traded ANYWHERE. He CHOSE to come here for a reason and he's not going to just agree to go where we want to dump him after a year and a half.

You're getting crap about making a stupid post on only your SECOND post because if you had taken more time to READ (ie - be open minded to what others think) rather than just start a post just to hear yourself speak then you'd have known what the overwhelming opinion on Briere getting traded for anyone was on this board.

You can respectfully disagree with other opinions but to fail to acknowledge them and ignor them shows a lack of credibility in your posts.


Remember, it's NOT that trading Briere isn't a good move for the team, it's just that it's a pipe dream that he will waive his NMC to let us trade him.

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It's not because this was only your second post but that there is a whole other thread about Briere and him NOT ever getting traded. ANY thread that has Briere going anywhere is just plain stupid no matter WHO posts it or how many posts they have. Briere has a NMC and only he can agree to be traded ANYWHERE. He CHOSE to come here for a reason and he's not going to just agree to go where we want to dump him after a year and a half.

You're getting crap about making a stupid post on only your SECOND post because if you had taken more time to READ (ie - be open minded to what others think) rather than just start a post just to hear yourself speak then you'd have known what the overwhelming opinion on Briere getting traded for anyone was on this board.

You can respectfully disagree with other opinions but to fail to acknowledge them and ignor them shows a lack of credibility in your posts.


Remember, it's NOT that trading Briere isn't a good move for the team, it's just that it's a pipe dream that he will waive his NMC to let us trade him.
And yet you make it seem like the NMC is some immovable object...it isn't. There are other places in the league he probably wouldn't mind playing for (clearly less than in Philly however), other teams he likes, other players he's friends with. NO ONE wants to be somewhere where they aren't wanted...so he could very easily be run out of town and he WOULD waive it. I hate seeing people act like this NMC is the end all be all of trades. McCabe had one, Boyle had one...it happens. Is he going to waive it to go to Atlanta? No. But he might waive it to go somewhere else, if all of a sudden he is disliked here.

All of that said, I don't see him traded ANYTIME soon. I just disagree when people make a NMC seem like it prevents people from even thinking about a deal.

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Why am I getting crap for just joining up? yes this is my second post but everyone has to start somewhere don't they...

This was just a what if... I checked salaries and this would work that way. I do know Briere has a NMC so he would have to agree but when he comes back why would he want to play 3rd line center? The way Richards and Carter are playing you can't change that up, and we saw that Briere can't play wing effectivley.

Tell him he can play #1 cnter for either of those teams and he might go.
Because there's a long history of new people signing up to post crazy trade proposals and then disappearing. There's not much tolerance for it on our board.

But as for the discussion: as I said, if we're hypothetically trading Briere, it's because we have too much money invested in forwards on long contracts. Trading Briere gives you more flexibility. But getting a big forward contract back defeats the purpose. Briere can score just fine for $6.5M, we don't need to make moves to improve the offense.

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And yet you make it seem like the NMC is some immovable object...it isn't. There are other places in the league he probably wouldn't mind playing for (clearly less than in Philly however), other teams he likes, other players he's friends with. NO ONE wants to be somewhere where they aren't wanted...so he could very easily be run out of town and he WOULD waive it. I hate seeing people act like this NMC is the end all be all of trades. McCabe had one, Boyle had one...it happens. Is he going to waive it to go to Atlanta? No. But he might waive it to go somewhere else, if all of a sudden he is disliked here.

All of that said, I don't see him traded ANYTIME soon. I just disagree when people make a NMC seem like it prevents people from even thinking about a deal.


LOL, this is great. Just because a few fans want to post NHL 08 trades on a message board means that he's not wanted in Philly anymore???? That's just classic. Please site one, JUST ONE little piece of FACT that the Flyers organization is unhappy with Briere and they don't want him here any longer. Yup, it worked so well for Toronto last year when they made it very public that they didn't want their stars any more and they WANTED to dump them to other teams. I guess there being cases from just last year where players with NTC/NMC's on teams that made it painfully obvious they didn't want them went ahead and DID NOT WAIVE THEIR NTC/NMC so they could go to a team that actually wanted them.

Simply THINKING something is true does NOT make it truth and factual.

Just how many people with a NTC/NMC have waiveed that clause after less than 1/4th of the contract they just signed??? Keep trying though, the Flyers aren't unhappy with Briere, they aren't looking to trade him, and he doesn't want to leave nor is he going to waive it.

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LOL, this is great. Just because a few fans want to post NHL 08 trades on a message board means that he's not wanted in Philly anymore???? That's just classic. Please site one, JUST ONE little piece of FACT that the Flyers organization is unhappy with Briere and they don't want him here any longer. Yup, it worked so well for Toronto last year when they made it very public that they didn't want their stars any more and they WANTED to dump them to other teams. I guess there being cases from just last year where players with NTC/NMC's on teams that made it painfully obvious they didn't want them went ahead and DID NOT WAIVE THEIR NTC/NMC so they could go to a team that actually wanted them.

Simply THINKING something is true does NOT make it truth and factual.
I'm not saying that he currently isn't wanted. Just pointing out that if an ugly situation were to arise that resulted in something like that...he would have no reason to stay. That's all.

By no means is he currently unwanted.

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I'm not saying that he currently isn't wanted. Just pointing out that if an ugly situation were to arise that resulted in something like that...he would have no reason to stay. That's all.

By no means is he currently unwanted.


Fair enough, but that's not even close to reality right now so any talks about moving him or him waiving his NMC is rediculous. Even if he isn't wanted here any more and we make it painfully obvious, he could still do just like Kabs and Sundin did to Tor last year.

And damn, i need to make a new screen name. I hate getting over 1k posts, it makes mee feel like I've wasted way too much time posting on a message board.

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As a long time Flyer fan, short time HFBoard fan..I would say I don't/didn't like the Briere signing. I think they signed him not knowing what they had with Richards or Carter. Now that these two are the present/future 1 and 2 centers where does Briere fit in? He can't play wing so 3rd line would be his home. Right now I would not move Carter or Richards to the wing.

Question : do we want a small center on our checking 3rd line or pay 6.5m for a spot, pplay specialist etc...

I will not only post possible trades and leave the board and I did read the Briere trade posts. I did not see one that stated Gaborik or Kova so I propsed. Taking on more forward money in place of his would be fine with me for a known 40-50 goal scoring sniper that can play the wing.

Also I would much rather do a trade for Healty/Bow but I know Gab and Kova are being offered for 1 player/prospect and pick.

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As a long time Flyer fan, short time HFBoard fan..I would say I don't/didn't like the Briere signing. I think they signed him not knowing what they had with Richards or Carter. Now that these two are the present/future 1 and 2 centers where does Briere fit in? He can't play wing so 3rd line would be his home. Right now I would not move Carter or Richards to the wing.
Last year Briere had success when the Flyers loaded up a line with Briere riding shotgun to Richards. The Flyers are in the enviable position of having to decide where to play a former 95 point centre.

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Last year Briere had success when the Flyers loaded up a line with Briere riding shotgun to Richards. The Flyers are in the enviable position of having to decide where to play a former 95 point centre.
critics will say that we're paying a 95 point centre's fee for a 70 point midget.

if briere is moved, its during the offseason, imo. he's going to be a huge part of our playoff push. i'd like to potentially try out the gagne-richards-briere line again when he gets back.

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