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View Poll Results: Whats the missing piece in your opinion?
Top 6 Elite Clutch Forward (example: Gaborik) 23 15.44%
Top 4 D PP Specialist (example: Jay Bo) 114 76.51%
There are no missing pieces as long as the team is healthy! 12 8.05%
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12-22-2008, 12:14 PM
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12-22-2008, 12:15 PM
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Because at any given day we're playing breezer or o'byrne, sometimes both. It's not alarming, but a top 4 D is for an upgrade. Anahiem had a solid D, they won the cup. Detroit had a solid D, they won the cup. It's one of those things that we'd be better off if...but it's not mandatory. We have plenty offense up front, some offensive ability from the back end wouldn't hurt the team.
J-BO aside and being more realistic, what I would like would be a 4th Dman with above average defensive capabilities (would play with Hammer) and a really good first pass. Doesn't absolutely need to play on the PP as Sergei seems to be getting better on the point.

This would leave Gorges on the 3rd pairing and we would have an overall very solid D corp.

Now with the qualities I spelled out, it shouldn't be that hard to find a guy with those qualities at an affordable price, wouldn't it?

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12-22-2008, 12:16 PM
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missing peice(s) get rid of Lats, bring up Pacioretty. Also bring up Webber to play the point on the power play.
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12-22-2008, 12:23 PM
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J-BO aside and being more realistic, what I would like would be a 4th Dman with above average defensive capabilities (would play with Hammer) and a really good first pass. Doesn't absolutely need to play on the PP as Sergei seems to be getting better on the point.

This would leave Gorges on the 3rd pairing and we would have an overall very solid D corp.

Now with the qualities I spelled out, it shouldn't be that hard to find a guy with those qualities at an affordable price, wouldn't it?
A solid guy who can make crisp passes out the zone to our forwards would be good, preferrably someone with a little size. Sometimes the price can be surprising though.

Jay bo is often mentioned because he's the total package, 6'4, two way D, hockey smarts, good pass, good shot. The only reason I would suggest getting him besides the obvious reasons is that I'd rather have him next year then kovy & lang. With the forwards coming up, pacioretty, maxwell, chipchura(who by now is ready)...there's no more room for aging vets, so jay Bo on D for me isn't for a rental, it's long term or dont bother.

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12-22-2008, 12:26 PM
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D-man with a big blaster for the PP.

(aka Streit).

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12-22-2008, 12:29 PM
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A solid guy who can make crisp passes out the zone to our forwards would be good, preferrably someone with a little size. Sometimes the price can be surprising though.

Jay bo is often mentioned because he's the total package, 6'4, two way D, hockey smarts, good pass, good shot. The only reason I would suggest getting him besides the obvious reasons is that I'd rather have him next year then kovy & lang. With the forwards coming up, pacioretty, maxwell, chipchura(who by now is ready)...there's no more room for aging vets, so jay Bo on D for me isn't for a rental, it's long term or dont bother.
Well yeah, that's a good idea, although if you are getting rid of Kovy and Lang next year, and want those kids to remain, who are you gonna trade to get jBo?? Higgins or Pleks? Now you'll be thinning out something else, as we will absolutely need them if Kovy and Lang aren't there next year.

That's why I don't think JBo is feasable. Maybe at FA, I'd give the money left over from Kovy and Lang to JBo, now that's a great idea because we wouldn't lose any players to get. Yet FA is gonna be hell with him. I expect Bryan Beurk to make a big push to get JBo...

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12-22-2008, 12:38 PM
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Well yeah, that's a good idea, although if you are getting rid of Kovy and Lang next year, and want those kids to remain, who are you gonna trade to get jBo?? Higgins or Pleks? Now you'll be thinning out something else, as we will absolutely need them if Kovy and Lang aren't there next year.

That's why I don't think JBo is feasable. Maybe at FA, I'd give the money left over from Kovy and Lang to JBo, now that's a great idea because we wouldn't lose any players to get. Yet FA is gonna be hell with him. I expect Bryan Beurk to make a big push to get JBo...
Jay Bo UFA is asking for a bidding war IMO.

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Yes, there's stuff we'll lose, but if it's a long term signing, its worth it. Rental.....noooooo way.

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12-22-2008, 12:46 PM
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Sigh.... the 4th Dman doesn't need to be J-Bo caliber.

remember Stuart with Detroit last year?

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I don't think anyone was putting J-Bo at #4. He'd be in the top 4. But anyway, if it takes Higgins and Pacioretty + to get him (just going on what P. McGuire suggested it would take on Melnick last week), then I want no part of him.

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12-22-2008, 12:47 PM
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I know Jay Bo is a talent, but he has a career high of 16 power play points in a season. Even Rivet had 20 power play points last year.

By comparison Markov had 32 power play points last year and is on pace for 25 this season.

Even Hamrlik 16-18 in Calgary and has a career high of 42 power play points.

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12-22-2008, 12:49 PM
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Top 4 D PP Specialist (example: Jay Bo)

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12-22-2008, 12:51 PM
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I think they need a big physical defenseman personally over a PP specialist. Way too many games where the Habs get dominated down low and behind the net. It was a nightmare when Komisarek was out but they need another physical presence back there.

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12-22-2008, 12:54 PM
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I don't think anyone was putting J-Bo at #4.
Well duh, I know that. He's #1 caliber as it is. My point was that we don't need to add such a big talent to make our top 4 better as our top 4 is already pretty good. we just need more depth. Something like a second Gorges with a better 1st pass would complete our top 4 and then send Gorges on the 3rd pairing, which would give us 3 solid pairings.

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He'd be in the top 4. But anyway, if it takes Higgins and Pacioretty + to get him (just going on what P. McGuire suggested it would take on Melnick last week), then I want no part of him.
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I think they need a big physical defenseman personally over a PP specialist. Way too many games where the Habs get dominated down low and behind the net. It was a nightmare when Komisarek was out but they need another physical presence back there.
Yeah, but with a really good first pass, as we lack that since Streit is gone.


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12-22-2008, 01:01 PM
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I know Jay Bo is a talent, but he has a career high of 16 power play points in a season. Even Rivet had 20 power play points last year.

By comparison Markov had 32 power play points last year and is on pace for 25 this season.

Even Hamrlik 16-18 in Calgary and has a career high of 42 power play points.
Hammer made 42 PP points? What year? Just curious.

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12-22-2008, 01:16 PM
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We need a few things:

1. Set lines
2. To figure out who is regular on the lineup and who is extra
3. Consistency

I don't entirely blame Carbo for his line mixing but its gotta stop at some point.

With a healthy line up, we have way too many wingers. This team has on the wing Alex Kovalev, Alex Tanguay, Andrei Kostitsyn, Chris Higgins, Guillaume Latendresse, Sergei Kostitsyn, Matt D'Agostini, Tom Kostopolous, Steve Begin and Georges Laraque. 10 wingers. 7 of which belong on our Top 6, meaning one is always going to be butted out. To be honest, I wouldn't mind a trade that would send two way to get one better, but I really don't know who I'd rather see go. No-one, pretty much. However, someone will have to end up sitting out. We also have three players competing for two 4th Line spots. Again, someone has to sit out, and while Laraque seems like the obvious choice, you can't sit the guy out all the time. We have too many pieces, not a lack of one.

On defence, we got a shutdown D-man (Komisarek), a Scoring D-man (Markov), a Jack of all Trades (Hamrlik), a young Jack of All trades (Gorges), a veteran scoring D-Man (Brisebois), a speed skater (Dandenault), a fiesty blueliner (Bouillon) and a big youngster who is seriously green (O'Byrne). Clearly, 8 is again too many, but with the dynamic of the team, Hamrlik, who has scoring ability, would be better suited with a defensive player who could let Hamrlik be a scorer instead of babysitting the blue line. I would also prefer Gorges on the third line taking Bouillon's spot, with Brisebois or Dandenault with him, and that fourth spot with Hamrlik by bringing a D-man in. However, I don't need Jay Boumeester. I could do with Jordan Leopold, Filip Kuba, Mattieu Schneider, Jaroslav Spacek, Darryl Sydor, Dennis Gauthier or any other free agent D-man who could be dealt at the deadline.

Goaltending is fine. If we lose Halak, we could call up Denis, or get another goalie in return. He's a talented guy and if we want a D-man from someone like Ottawa or Colorado, we'll likely have to give up a goalie.

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Well duh, I know that. He's #1 caliber as it is. My point was that we don't need to add such a big talent to make our top 4 better as our top 4 is already pretty good. we just need more depth. Something like a second Gorges with a better 1st pass would complete our top 4 and then send Gorges on the 3rd pairing, which would give us 3 solid pairings.
Sorry, wasn't really saying I actually thought you believed that. But yeah, I'm with you that we don't need to break the bank for a second-pairing type. Haven't been paying a ton of attention to the rest of the league, though -- what are some names right now that fit the bill as a #3 or 4 guy? I heard Zidlicky mentioned from Minny. Don't know much about him, though, or what kind of contract he has. I also don't want to give much for a UFA. We already have like a gabillion. I guess options will be clearer once teams begin falling into the seller/buyer categories.

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Because at any given day we're playing breezer or o'byrne, sometimes both. It's not alarming, but a top 4 D is for an upgrade. Anahiem had a solid D, they won the cup. Detroit had a solid D, they won the cup. It's one of those things that we'd be better off if...but it's not mandatory. We have plenty offense up front, some offensive ability from the back end wouldn't hurt the team.
Exactly, what are our alternatives in the system ??

Dandenault ? He was playing decent before breaking his arm but c'mon now, he's not the solution and that's pretty obvious for anyone who watched the 2006-2007 season.

Weber ? Sure, he played pretty well in the pre-season, but pre-season level isn't close to the real NHL level and a long way from the game during the playoffs. He's got a good point-shot, but wouldn't be that much of an upgrade from Breezer in my opinion.

Carle ? Same as Weber.

If we want to go far in the post-season we need someone else than O'Byrne or Brisebois on the backend and that's all. We don't need a Bouwmeester. Simply a top4 Dman with a good 1st pass like Ozy mentionned earlier.


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we need someone to replace Brisebois, and not o'byrne

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we need someone to replace Brisebois, and not o'byrne
We need someones to replace them both.

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We need someones to replace them both.
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missing peice(s) get rid of Lats, bring up Pacioretty. Also bring up Webber to play the point on the power play.
I don't agree on that one, but at least it's the only part of your post that do have links with reality.

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Exactly, what are our alternatives in the system ??

Dandenault ? He was playing decent before breaking his arm but c'mon now, he's not the solution and that's pretty obvious for anyone who watched the 2006-2007 season.

Weber ? Sure, he played pretty well in the pre-season, but pre-season level isn't close to the real NHL level and a long way from the game during the playoffs. He's got a good point-shot, but wouldn't be that much of an upgrade from Breezer in my opinion.

Carle ? Same as Weber.

If we want to go far in the post-season we need someone else than O'Byrne or Brisebois on the backend and that's all. We don't need a Bouwmeester. Simply a top4 Dman with a good 1st pass like Ozy mentionned earlier.
If O'byrne plays like he did last year, I don't see much harm. PP can be fixed with a forward, sergei so far so good lately. There's alternatives. For all we know, Weber, with a season under his belt at the pros can be our PP solution. Carle is bigger though, so maybe after 2 years in the ahl he can provide something else. If our players step up, with all the balanced ice time they get and carbo starts giving time to our top players when it matters, things won't be as problematic. There's solutions. Dressing 7 D-men is one. We have enough skilled forwards to share the load. We have the same d as last year and our D didn't lose us a series. Getting a top 4 will greatly help, but I'll live if we don't, especially if the price is high. yes yes, i know it doesnt have to be jay bo, but sometimes prices on the market can surprise you. We'll see how it plays out, if anyone goes back to form(o'byrne for instance) if anyone emerges in the minors, if they dont 3 months from now, then a trade wouldnt be a bad thing. Like i said, defence wins championships. We have 4 who are top 4 D or greater, gorges, hammer, komi, markov. boullion is a steady 5-6, and the last needs to be addressed. I'm not a breezer fan but he did relatively well in last year's playoffs.

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If O'byrne plays like he did last year, I don't see much harm. PP can be fixed with a forward, sergei so far so good lately. There's alternatives. For all we know, Weber, with a season under his belt at the pros can be our PP solution. Carle is bigger though, so maybe after 2 years in the ahl he can provide something else. If our players step up, with all the balanced ice time they get and carbo starts giving time to our top players when it matters, things won't be as problematic. There's solutions. Dressing 7 D-men is one. We have enough skilled forwards to share the load. We have the same d as last year and our D didn't lose us a series. Getting a top 4 will greatly help, but I'll live if we don't, especially if the price is high. yes yes, i know it doesnt have to be jay bo, but sometimes prices on the market can surprise you. We'll see how it plays out, if anyone goes back to form(o'byrne for instance) if anyone emerges in the minors, if they dont 3 months from now, then a trade wouldnt be a bad thing. Like i said, defence wins championships. We have 4 who are top 4 D or greater, gorges, hammer, komi, markov. boullion is a steady 5-6, and the last needs to be addressed. I'm not a breezer fan but he did relatively well in last year's playoffs.

I was talking about now, in the playoff this year, not next year. And as you said defense wins championship. That's why we shouldn't have a struggling rookie or a vet like Breezer who can't handle the physical playoff play as our 6th Dman.

Everyone knows we have good D prospects and will be fine in the future. The problem is now however.

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