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Whats the missing piece in your opinion?

View Poll Results: Whats the missing piece in your opinion?
Top 6 Elite Clutch Forward (example: Gaborik) 23 15.44%
Top 4 D PP Specialist (example: Jay Bo) 114 76.51%
There are no missing pieces as long as the team is healthy! 12 8.05%
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12-23-2008, 09:17 AM
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Yeah, they've shown some life lately. They were 5 for 17 in the last three games. If they can keep a steady pace, they should be back at 20%+ in a matter of weeks.
I think Gui can be a big part of the resurgence. Some people may go nuts when they see Begin getting PP time, but even if you have an all-star team with a 5 on 4 it may not click. Little things like putting Gorges, SKost at the point, Gui in front etc. can spark something.

I remember when the Leafs had a scary PP going a few years back(getting constant 5on3's made it more frightening). All they did was put a tool like Tucker at the side of the net and they had 4 simultaneous options to score.

I don't buy into this 'Streit gave the PP life' nonsense. Power Plays are about creating more space, which can be done by this club no matter who is at the right point. If Kovalev doesn't cough up the puck gaining the zone every 2nd PP shift, and if he actually hits the net when he steps into the faceoff circle it's a completely different PP. Streit has absolutely nothing to do with Kovalev's 5 on 5 proficiency, and he certainly isn't making him miss the net with a 5 on 4. Would Streit give the Habs a huge boost right now? Absolutely. So would Souray. Just as Gonchar would be a boost to the Penguins, but they get by.


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12-23-2008, 09:20 AM
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Top 4 D for sure, love to get Jay-Bo but I won't get my hopes up.

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12-23-2008, 10:28 AM
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A star in any position except goal.

Exactly!! When was the last time the Habs had a pure goal scorer up front?? And when was the last time the Habs had a superstar defencemen that other teams all wanted.

Thats the problem with the Habs, they haven't had a big star on the team since Patrick Roy, now they have Carey Price, but he is another goaltender. I think it would be awesome if Gainey could make a trade or aquire a free agent goal scorer like Kovalchuk or Hossa, or a defencemen like Jay Bowmeester or like Dion Phaneuf.

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12-23-2008, 10:30 AM
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Exactly!! When was the last time the Habs had a pure goal scorer up front?? And when was the last time the Habs had a superstar defencemen that other teams all wanted.

Thats the problem with the Habs, they haven't had a big star on the team since Patrick Roy, now they have Carey Price, but he is another goaltender. I think it would be awesome if Gainey could make a trade or aquire a free agent goal scorer like Kovalchuk or Hossa, or a defencemen like Jay Bowmeester or like Dion Phaneuf.
Dude, you seriously think other teams aren't drooling over the thought of getting their hands on Markov???

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12-23-2008, 10:37 AM
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I don't think its that obvious. I mean I know it would make our team vastly better, but having a Kovalchuk type guy who could play the point on the PP could be equally as good and possibly much better, especially considering how well Gorges and Breezer (to a lesser extent) have been playing this year.
I think it is that obvious. To me, without a question, what's missing is a top level defenseman. There's no reason to go out and get a Gaborik or a Kovalchuk. That's just more of the same. Adding a scoring winger does NOTHING to address the needs of this team.

It's (seemingly) obvious that the biggest issue this year compared to last in the powerplay. I don't know how anybody could look at the numbers from this year and compare them to last and not see that. Again, it's pretty clear what's different from this year to last.

The powerplay is hurting because teams can now key the skill players down low, taking away their ability to pass the puck. Why can they do this? Because they no longer have to protect the point. When Souray, and later on Streit were back there, the Canadiens had the option of going to the point where a thundering slapshot could be unleashed. That spread the oppositions defnese. They had no choice but to protect the point. With the PKers spread, it made room for the likes of Koviu, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc to make plays down low, hit a pinching Markov with a pass or go cross-ice for an open side goal.

With no need to respect the point anymore, they can key on the skill players down low and leave the points open. Adding a winger to that mix is useless.

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12-23-2008, 10:40 AM
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And when was the last time the Habs had a superstar defencemen that other teams all wanted.
Uh, when was the last time? I dunno, how about today? Don't you realize Andrei Markov is one of the best defenseman in all of hockey?

You do realize he's one point back of being the leading scoring defenseman in the NHL, right?

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12-23-2008, 10:41 AM
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I think it is that obvious. To me, without a question, what's missing is a top level defenseman. There's no reason to go out and get a Gaborik or a Kovalchuk. That's just more of the same. Adding a scoring winger does NOTHING to address the needs of this team.

It's (seemingly) obvious that the biggest issue this year compared to last in the powerplay. I don't know how anybody could look at the numbers from this year and compare them to last and not see that. Again, it's pretty clear what's different from this year to last.

The powerplay is hurting because teams can now key the skill players down low, taking away their ability to pass the puck. Why can they do this? Because they no longer have to protect the point. When Souray, and later on Streit were back there, the Canadiens had the option of going to the point where a thundering slapshot could be unleashed. That spread the oppositions defnese. They had no choice but to protect the point. With the PKers spread, it made room for the likes of Koviu, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc to make plays down low, hit a pinching Markov with a pass or go cross-ice for an open side goal.

With no need to respect the point anymore, they can key on the skill players down low and leave the points open. Adding a winger to that mix is useless.
I've always believed that unless you have an extreme situation with real superstars around, the d makes your forwards look good and vice versa. A top quality d man would make a lot of wingers on this team llok like sharks coming in off the wing.

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12-23-2008, 10:42 AM
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Exactly!! When was the last time the Habs had a pure goal scorer up front?? And when was the last time the Habs had a superstar defencemen that other teams all wanted.

Thats the problem with the Habs, they haven't had a big star on the team since Patrick Roy, now they have Carey Price, but he is another goaltender. I think it would be awesome if Gainey could make a trade or aquire a free agent goal scorer like Kovalchuk or Hossa, or a defencemen like Jay Bowmeester or like Dion Phaneuf.
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12-23-2008, 10:43 AM
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I think it is that obvious. To me, without a question, what's missing is a top level defenseman. There's no reason to go out and get a Gaborik or a Kovalchuk. That's just more of the same. Adding a scoring winger does NOTHING to address the needs of this team.

It's (seemingly) obvious that the biggest issue this year compared to last in the powerplay. I don't know how anybody could look at the numbers from this year and compare them to last and not see that. Again, it's pretty clear what's different from this year to last.

The powerplay is hurting because teams can now key the skill players down low, taking away their ability to pass the puck. Why can they do this? Because they no longer have to protect the point. When Souray, and later on Streit were back there, the Canadiens had the option of going to the point where a thundering slapshot could be unleashed. That spread the oppositions defnese. They had no choice but to protect the point. With the PKers spread, it made room for the likes of Koviu, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc to make plays down low, hit a pinching Markov with a pass or go cross-ice for an open side goal.

With no need to respect the point anymore, they can key on the skill players down low and leave the points open. Adding a winger to that mix is useless.

But it was only a matter of time for SKost to get used playing on the point. I think he'll remain a regular there and that might open up more space down low. He scored 2 goals from the point in the last 3 games on the PP. The more he gets used to it, the more he'll make dangerous shots, and the more opposing teams will respect this and give it attention.

Also, I'm also of the opinion that the PP hasn't been that bad. They've been extremely unlucky too. Expirementation has somethign to do with that. But I think with SKost on the point, they might be finished expirementing.

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12-23-2008, 10:52 AM
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When people say Top 4 D.....are they hoping for #1, #2, #3, or #4? Honestly this has to be answered 'cause I don't have to tell anybody that there's a world of difference between the 4. And since I would also love to have a centerman with size, I would go for:

1- #4 d-man to play with Hammer.
2- #2/#3 centerman, #3 if we're confortable having Lang as #2.

I'm ready to give O'Byrne, Higgins, Pleks, picks and kids (except MaxPac)
I'll admit that I think we'll need another centerman too if Plek keeps playing like a *****. I don't however believe that he'll continue playing like this for the whole year. We don't stand to loose much if we keep Plek, but we could be ****ed if we were to trade him ala Ribeiro and I don't want to see that happen again. Overall, I don't think we should trade any of our centerman unless another proven centerman comes our way such as Brad Richards like last year. The problem is, I don't see any Brad Richards being available like last year. That's why I think we should play it safe and go for a No.4 Dman.

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12-23-2008, 11:25 AM
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There is no way Streit signs for 2 mil with the Islanders having a 5 year 20 mil contract on the table. Last year in the playoffs everyone wanted to thow him under the bus, now you all want him back because the PP has struggled. Priceless!

At the money he was being offered, Streit was no longer an option.
Could you please READ thoroughly before you respond?

First, I wrote that Streit was available last winter for $2M for 3 years.
This comes from Mark himself. His agent told everyone last winter that he was asking "around" $2.5M.

Of course, during MADNESS WEEK, the "Price" was higher. It should not have got that far, IMO. We should have locked up our versatile player for 2.0M, maybe 2.3. He would STILL be one of the cheapest 60 point players in the league!!!

Next, I wrote that last year, when Streit played VERY HURT in the playoffs, our PP struggled. This was a clue to how things were going to go on the PP this year.....badly. I have NO IDEA how you turned that statement into me wanting to throw Streit under the bus for his playoff performance. The guy was HURT!!!

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12-23-2008, 11:55 AM
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If you have to make a trade, it's a top 4 D or greater. When Lowe sent pronger to anahiem he actually said 'this is your ticket to the finals' and they won the cup.

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What this team needs is a heart transplant!!!!

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Gorges has been a big surprise, but we still need some help and could go bigger for a top four. One thing I know for sure, our bottom pairing on D gives me the heebie jeebies when thinking playoffs.

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What this team needs is a heart transplant!!!!
this team may come out flat on occasion but it is obvious they care. Coming out flat does not mean they do not care. there are other reasons for coming out flat.

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Both. Top 4 D and a gamebreaking forward.

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I am going to reprise my earlier comment about looking at somebody like Paul Ranger. Ranger obviously is not as good as J-Bo, however we do not need a great all around dman like J-Bo. We already have one of the best top 3's with what we have, adding J-Bo is not necessary. Ranger would serve as a pp specialist and somebody to move the puck up the ice even strength. He is younger than J-Bo so we would not need to worry about losing him to ufa, and we would be able to keep O'Byrne in the minors and rotate Bouillon/Breezer as the 7th D.

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Top 4 Defenseman....no matter how much power we have up front in the playoffs it's the defense that brings home the gold

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Anyone who says top 6 forward has lost it. Where did this obsession with offense come up? I mean we have a set top 6 right now with Higgins Koivu and A.Kost out. Yet people want to get another top 6 player?

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We need a Iginla/Morrow type of player. Because of the grit and leadership they can bring.

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I am going to reprise my earlier comment about looking at somebody like Paul Ranger. Ranger obviously is not as good as J-Bo, however we do not need a great all around dman like J-Bo. We already have one of the best top 3's with what we have, adding J-Bo is not necessary. Ranger would serve as a pp specialist and somebody to move the puck up the ice even strength. He is younger than J-Bo so we would not need to worry about losing him to ufa, and we would be able to keep O'Byrne in the minors and rotate Bouillon/Breezer as the 7th D.
Ranger is an unexpected choice. I don't know what his slapper is like but with the disaster season TB is having, maybe they'd trade him, then again, they'd rather rid themselves of their forwards.

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The top 4 defensemen doesn't even need to be offensive minded or a PP specialist. Markov, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Gorges and Bouillon can create enough offense from the back line. We just need someone who can push Gorges into a number 5 spot, or someone who can make a good third pairing. He can be two way, offensive, defensive...I don't really care as long as he is a team player and is reliable.

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I think it is that obvious. To me, without a question, what's missing is a top level defenseman. There's no reason to go out and get a Gaborik or a Kovalchuk. That's just more of the same. Adding a scoring winger does NOTHING to address the needs of this team.

It's (seemingly) obvious that the biggest issue this year compared to last in the powerplay. I don't know how anybody could look at the numbers from this year and compare them to last and not see that. Again, it's pretty clear what's different from this year to last.

The powerplay is hurting because teams can now key the skill players down low, taking away their ability to pass the puck. Why can they do this? Because they no longer have to protect the point. When Souray, and later on Streit were back there, the Canadiens had the option of going to the point where a thundering slapshot could be unleashed. That spread the oppositions defnese. They had no choice but to protect the point. With the PKers spread, it made room for the likes of Koviu, Kovalev, Plekanec, etc to make plays down low, hit a pinching Markov with a pass or go cross-ice for an open side goal.

With no need to respect the point anymore, they can key on the skill players down low and leave the points open. Adding a winger to that mix is useless.

Kovalchuck plays the point in the PP and if you haven't noticed yet, he has that booming slapper you were talking about. He may not be a defensemen but that doesn't mean he would be a MASSIVE possibly life breathing addition to the PP.

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Tired of watching Koivu being "all alone" out there, and I don't like Kovalev showing leadership only when Koivu's out.

I don't care at wich position he/they play, just gimme someone willing to sacrifice his body to "the cause". Someone who will show the way to our skilled players (most are still relatively inexperienced in the PO - Plek, Higgins, the Kostystins, Gorges, even Komisarek, Halak/Price...)

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We have a lot of skill, youth and mix of experience in the top 6-9 forwards with Koivu, Kovalev, Tanguay, Lang, Plekanec, Andrei Kostitsyn, Higgins, Sergei Kostitsyn and a hot D'Agostini. It is a matter of health and all of them starting to get going.

Kovalev and Lang seem to be coming around, as does Sergei. When Saku, Higgins and Andrei comeback lets hope they are able to contribute consistantly and that Tanguay picks it up as does Pleks and that Deigo keeps it up too!

The 4th line has been productive as a whole, either it be Lapierre, Latendresse, Begin, Kostopolous or Laroque...they have been an energy line and getting goals as well.

Our goaltending is great, Price is playing awesome and Halak has done quite well as well.

We need depth on D in the matter of a top 4 dman that can play with Hammer and play the PP as well. No knock on Gorges, he has done well and probably is our most consistant guy most nights. Our D as a whole has played well, we just lack that shot and compliment guy to assist Markov out there in PP situations.

Would I make a trade for J-BO?

Yes!

But, what is the price???

Me thinks it would be the following and it maybe worth it to do it, only if Florida is willing to take a 2010 1st rounder over a 2009 1st rounder. Montreal will want a 1st at home for the draft, plus they aren't giving up back to back 1st rounders in the draft.

Trade will probably involve a player that can play now, a dman, a prospect and a pick;

Roster players that Gainey may be willing to offer up in my opinion, Higgins, Plekanec, O'Byrne, Latendresse as roster players available with some worth (O'Byrne would be a Dman that would go with one of the forwards). Prospects, well we have a lot of D prospects and I think McDonagh and Fischer are not available and I think Yemelin isn't as well (hoping he comes over next year), but guys like Subban, Weber, Carle and Valentanko would be for a J-BO. Don't see forward prospects like Pacioretty, D'Agostini, Chipchura or Maxwell offered up either but players like White and maybe Kristo out there too...J-BO won't come cheap, but if Bob can get him and maybe resign him with Lang and Kovy or Kovalev gone next year there is some dollars there for both Kommy and J-BO.

It is a long shot dream, and Bob won't sell the farm for a one shot deal...it will have to be the right deal, the right time and right for Bob.

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