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Whats the missing piece in your opinion?

View Poll Results: Whats the missing piece in your opinion?
Top 6 Elite Clutch Forward (example: Gaborik) 23 15.44%
Top 4 D PP Specialist (example: Jay Bo) 114 76.51%
There are no missing pieces as long as the team is healthy! 12 8.05%
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12-24-2008, 08:45 AM
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Anyone who says top 6 forward has lost it. Where did this obsession with offense come up? I mean we have a set top 6 right now with Higgins Koivu and A.Kost out. Yet people want to get another top 6 player?
Although I did vote for the top 4 defenseman, I don't think that those who voted for a top 6 forward have lost it. I wouldn't want any top 6 forward, but this team definitely needs a true sniper, a natural goals' scorer, someone who will find the back of the net 40-50 times a year instead of hitting the post, the goalie or missing the net on their opportunities. That's what killed us last year in the playoffs. We had plenty of chances to win but we made Biron look like a god out there.

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12-24-2008, 11:27 AM
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Agreed. All "top 6" forwards are not created equal. Kovalchuk is a superstar and, as well as playing the point, would be keyed on freeing up the others to do business. A Tanguay, Saku, Kovalchuk line would be DYNAMITE. The Habs dont have a player of that calibre. He would be the Habs Joe Thorton automatically vaulting the Habs into the upper echelon.
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Kovalchuck plays the point in the PP and if you haven't noticed yet, he has that booming slapper you were talking about. He may not be a defensemen but that doesn't mean he would be a MASSIVE possibly life breathing addition to the PP.

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12-24-2008, 12:04 PM
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Top 4 Defenceman obviously.

Whether or not we can realistically acquire one or even clear enough space for one is a WHOLE different discussion.

I don't believe this is an obvious choice by any means, I don't even think its the right
choice. My heart would like to believe with all the depth we have up front that
at least one of these young guys will one year become dominant and start scoring
30-40 goals but every year Higgins gets hurt or slumps, this year Plekanec slumps,
Tanguay and Lang are great character players but not a dominant offensive threat.
Kovy only has 8goals at 35games! I think having Gaborik would have more impact
than an elite Dman but it would be close.

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12-24-2008, 04:32 PM
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Kovalchuck plays the point in the PP and if you haven't noticed yet, he has that booming slapper you were talking about. He may not be a defensemen but that doesn't mean he would be a MASSIVE possibly life breathing addition to the PP.
I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. Kovalckhuk on the point for Atlanta doens't use his slapper. He plays more like Markov, quarterbacking the powerplay and distributing the puck.

If he had a slapper on the calibre of Souray or Streit, I've not yet seen it. It's not just about having a hard shot. It's about having a heavy shot that you can get off quickly and in traffic. That second point - the ability to get it off quickly and in traffic - is what separates guys like Souray from many, many other blueliners with a big shot.

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12-24-2008, 05:15 PM
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We need a big defenseman who is willing to make players from other team suffered when he get into our territory. A booming shot on the PP will also be needed from this defenseman. Jay Bo fits the bill.

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12-24-2008, 05:26 PM
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I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. Kovalckhuk on the point for Atlanta doens't use his slapper. He plays more like Markov, quarterbacking the powerplay and distributing the puck.

If he had a slapper on the calibre of Souray or Streit, I've not yet seen it. It's not just about having a hard shot. It's about having a heavy shot that you can get off quickly and in traffic. That second point - the ability to get it off quickly and in traffic - is what separates guys like Souray from many, many other blueliners with a big shot.
Your ignorance has reached astromical levels. Kovalchuk uses his slapper from the point all the time...he also shoots whenever he gets the chance. The reason he is always being played high on the point is because of how dangerous his shot is. He has a lethal slapshot, is accurate and it creates so many chances if it doesnt go straight in. Kovalchuk has one of the quickest releases in the league, much faster and quicker than Souray. Do you remember the World Cup winning goal this summer? Oh right, you must have forgot, it was a shot by Kovalchuk on the PP from the point.

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We need a big defenseman who is willing to make players from other team suffered when he get into our territory. A booming shot on the PP will also be needed from this defenseman. Jay Bo fits the bill.
This isn't really Bouwmeester's game at all.

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I'm gonna have to agree to disagree. Kovalckhuk on the point for Atlanta doens't use his slapper. He plays more like Markov, quarterbacking the powerplay and distributing the puck.

If he had a slapper on the calibre of Souray or Streit, I've not yet seen it. It's not just about having a hard shot. It's about having a heavy shot that you can get off quickly and in traffic. That second point - the ability to get it off quickly and in traffic - is what separates guys like Souray from many, many other blueliners with a big shot.
He's got one hell of a point shot alright and he uses well too. Imagine Markov feeding him some perfect passes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzAp8os0U_s

Don't know how to embed but here's the link to a video you should take a look at.

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12-24-2008, 06:18 PM
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He's got one hell of a point shot alright and he uses well too. Imagine Markov feeding him some perfect passes...



Don't know how to embed but here's the link to a video you should take a look at.
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12-25-2008, 08:27 PM
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Your ignorance has reached astromical levels. Kovalchuk uses his slapper from the point all the time...he also shoots whenever he gets the chance. The reason he is always being played high on the point is because of how dangerous his shot is. He has a lethal slapshot, is accurate and it creates so many chances if it doesnt go straight in. Kovalchuk has one of the quickest releases in the league, much faster and quicker than Souray. Do you remember the World Cup winning goal this summer? Oh right, you must have forgot, it was a shot by Kovalchuk on the PP from the point.
Funny you would use the word "ignorance" and then post the above.

Does Ilya Kovalchuk have a great slapshot? Unquestionably. Is he really really good at getting it off and close quarters? No, he isn't. He's scored his share when he's got a lot of time at the point, his shot is simply that accurate. But that doesn't really describe what a PP shooter will do. They usually have a tiny window of time (and space) to get that blast through before the box adjusts.

Furthermore, is he really good and "seeing eye shots" where he can blast his shot through a maze of people and get it on net? Wouldn't call that a strength either.

Kovalchuk has lethal speed, peerless one-on-one ability and a very deadly shot (though I much prefer his snap/wrist to the slap shot you are so keen about) But anybody who's watched him play would list a lot of assets before they got to his point shot.

Have you arrogantly weighed in on a topic you know little about and made yourself look rude and illi-informed? Yes you have.

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12-25-2008, 09:51 PM
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Have you arrogantly weighed in on a topic you know little about and made yourself look rude and illi-informed? Yes you have.
No I haven't, you just continue to make yourself look like a utter fool. Kovalchuk has scored over 90 goals on the PP in his career (I bet 75 of these are from the point) and your telling me one of his assets isn't his shot from the point. You sit there and split hairs andthen have the nerve to say I am ignorant? He has one of the fastest releases for a wrist shot I have ever seen, and I have seen numerous times him get off shots with guys all over him. You obviously don't understand how to run a powerplay, the point of constant puck movement is to make the defending players move and get out of position...this leads to an open shot. This isn't table hockey here where all the players are in the same spot and you just shoot it on net. I bet you haven't even seen over 12 Atlanta hockey games in your life. Don't even bother replying because your on my ignore list now for posting such garbage.

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12-25-2008, 09:53 PM
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I think that several things are still needed before this year's team can seriously contend for the Cup.

1. An offensive puck moving defenseman, preferably with a booming shot to alleviate Markov's work load. Also, if Markov goes down during the playoffs, then we're done. We need another offensive catalyst from the back end. Shea Weber but he's not available so JBo would be an excellent choice.

2. A punishing, sand paper of a defenseman who can tend to his own end and make the opposing player's lives miserable in our own end like how Aaron Miller used to be or Scott Hannan or ideally Robyn Reghier.

3. A gritty, do anything for the Cup kind of guy like an Ethan Moreau who can will victories and will sacrifice his body for the puck. Someone who will do anything to win. Someone like Kirk Muller, like Brandon Morrow would be even better but some one like Ethan Moreau would teach other players how to win instead of some of the pansies on this team.

4. The will to win. To do whatever it takes to hoist that Cup. THIS is missing from this team and it is all too painfully evident.

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12-25-2008, 09:58 PM
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I think a healthy Habs team is not really missing any glaring piece. J-bo, that would put you over the top. If I am Gainey I would give up big future to put him in the top 4. 2 way dmen that are that solid defensively and log those kind of minutes are not available to often. And if you could teach Plekanec, Sergei and Lang to throw a hit that would help too.

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You sit there and split hairs andthen have the nerve to say I am ignorant?
I never called you ignorant. You, however, called me ignorant. Judging by the quality of your posts in this thread, it doesn't surprise me at all that you managed to accuse me of say something that was in fact said by you. You're making up so much of this on the fly, how could you keep track of all of your bull****?

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We need a top forward in his prime. We haven't had that in the last 15 years. Plek and Kosti Bros still haven't proved anything and Saku and Kovy are at the end of the line.

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This isn't really Bouwmeester's game at all.
He won't make players pay like Komi but Jay Bo is a big body and he's never soft. This along with his skills makes him the complete package.

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A top forward with character.

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He won't make players pay like Komi but Jay Bo is a big body and he's never soft. This along with his skills makes him the complete package.
I agree with you. I think Jay Bouwmeester would be an excellent fit here and would go a long way toward addressing a lot of the needs this team currently has.

However, I'm also sure he'll be the player pursued by the most clubs because A) He's a complete player and a pending free agent, so a team would give themselves first shot at resigning him and B) his contract is so low he's easy for multiple teams to fit under their cap.

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