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12-24-2008, 06:34 PM
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Evgeny Grachev

Hey I havent seen to much info on Evgeny. How has he been playing?

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I have no doubt he will crack our top 3 in our next prospect rankings. He is really a bright spot in an organization with no offense in it's system outside Anisimov.

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I have no doubt he will crack our top 3 in our next prospect rankings. He is really a bright spot in an organization with no offense in it's system outside Anisimov.
I got him at 4. Del Zotto, Sangs, and AA are better than he is. That said, the fact we are even discussing a 3rd round pick as one of our top 5 prospects not even half a year removed from the draft is pretty remarkable.

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I got him at 4. Del Zotto, Sangs, and AA are better than he is. That said, the fact we are even discussing a 3rd round pick as one of our top 5 prospects not even half a year removed from the draft is pretty remarkable.
I think it says more about our terrible prospect pool and the fact that guys like Staal, Lundy, Dubi, Girardi and Callahan have cracked our NHL lineup.

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12-24-2008, 09:42 PM
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I think it says more about our terrible prospect pool and the fact that guys like Staal, Lundy, Dubi, Girardi and Callahan have cracked our NHL lineup.
Even the worst of prospect pools don't have 3rd round picks just selected cracking the top 5, maybe even top 3. Yes, we're hardly the best prospect pool in the league, but that doesn't change the fact that what he's done in such a short amount of time is incredible.

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I got him at 4. Del Zotto, Sangs, and AA are better than he is. That said, the fact we are even discussing a 3rd round pick as one of our top 5 prospects not even half a year removed from the draft is pretty remarkable.
imo sangs is not nhl ready
that being said i think that would make evgeny top 3.

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12-24-2008, 10:27 PM
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imo sangs is not nhl ready
that being said i think that would make evgeny top 3.
And...? Is Grachev NHL ready? I don't see how Sanguinetti not being NHL ready is a negative compared to other prospects... who also are not NHL ready.

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I have no doubt he will crack our top 3 in our next prospect rankings. He is really a bright spot in an organization with no offense in it's system outside Anisimov.
PA Parenteau 12 goals 28 points in 31 games (same amount of points and games played as Anisimov) for Hartford.

Chris Doyle is 8th among QMJHL scorers.

Carl Hagelin has 15 points in 18 games for U. of Michigan as a Sophmore.

Derek Stepan has 12 points in 18 games as a Freshman for U. of Wisconsin.

Del Zotto is 7th among OHL defenseman in scoring.

Sanguinetti is 6th among AHL defensemen in scoring.

It has offense.

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PA Parenteau 12 goals 28 points in 31 games (same amount of points and games played as Anisimov) for Hartford.

Chris Doyle is 8th among QMJHL scorers.

Carl Hagelin has 15 points in 18 games for U. of Michigan as a Sophmore.

Derek Stepan has 12 points in 18 games as a Freshman for U. of Wisconsin.

Del Zotto is 7th among OHL defenseman in scoring.

Sanguinetti is 6th among AHL defensemen in scoring.

It has offense.
never denied sangs can score BUT he's worse than kalinin on defense lol.

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I got him at 4. Del Zotto, Sangs, and AA are better than he is. That said, the fact we are even discussing a 3rd round pick as one of our top 5 prospects not even half a year removed from the draft is pretty remarkable.
I had Gratchev rated as a 1st rounder

but somehow slats grabbed him in round 3...amazing...but then the Cherapanov tragedy.....tough news since while everyone was celebrating when the #1 CSS ranked guy in Cherapanov fell to the blueshirts I was hoping that they'd get Angelo Esposito...he went w/ the next choice to the Pens

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I got him at 4. Del Zotto, Sangs, and AA are better than he is. That said, the fact we are even discussing a 3rd round pick as one of our top 5 prospects not even half a year removed from the draft is pretty remarkable.
Well some scouts had him pegged as a late 1st round pick to begin the draft. I believe he was also ranked as the 2nd best European skater in the mid-season rankings. He has top-end talent for sure, but the stigma of Russian players is a tough one to shake.

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How has he done so far in the World Juniors Tourney?

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How has he done so far in the World Juniors Tourney?
It hasn't started.

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It hasn't started.
But he had a goal and (at least) one assist in two pre-tournament exhibition games.

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It hasn't started.
Didn't they play the US in an exhibition game?

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6 words: Evgeny Grachev, From Russia With Love

my feelings on this man.

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All I know is this. Grachev and Anisimov are both really good 2 way forward prospects and they have size. Something this organization badly needs. If Dubinsky starts to play hockey and stops playing like a dog, the team might have some talented big forwards in a few years in Dubinsky, Korpikoski, Anisimov, Grachev, Dupont and Byers. I was really disappointed to see Byers get hurt. He's a guy that should play 85% of the time over a clown like Orr. I just don't understand why our stupid coach continues to play Orr in games where he isn't needed instead of putting a player on the 4th line that can provide some offense. Orr is needed in maybe about 20 games a year.

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All I know is this. Grachev and Anisimov are both really good 2 way forward prospects and they have size. Something this organization badly needs. If Dubinsky starts to play hockey and stops playing like a dog, the team might have some talented big forwards in a few years in Dubinsky, Korpikoski, Anisimov, Grachev, Dupont and Byers. I was really disappointed to see Byers get hurt. He's a guy that should play 85% of the time over a clown like Orr. I just don't understand why our stupid coach continues to play Orr in games where he isn't needed instead of putting a player on the 4th line that can provide some offense. Orr is needed in maybe about 20 games a year.
This thread is about the prospect Grachev.
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Grachev and Anisimov are both really good 2 way forward prospects and they have size
Kind of stating the obvious. Don't ya think?

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I really like Anisimov as a hockeyplayer. He have very high class all across the board. Its not strange that he pretty much was Russias go-to player in the last WJC's. He does everything pretty well atleast. He is pretty nifty et c.

But I like Grachev more as a prospect. Its really allot easier for a "roleplayer" to make it to the NHL, if he is put in the right enviorment. Grachev is a specialist. He "only" needs to be good enough in his "special" areas. If he can become strong enough along the boards, be fairly productive et c., then he will make it.

Anisimov lives on beeing a overwhelming package so to speak. His combination of speed, size, reach and stickhandling needs to overwhelm the D's he is up against for him to be effective. And here its a really fine breaking point. Take a player like Jeff Carter for example. Players like that are either dominating/really good, or pretty ineffective. Carter was IMO very ineffective for a long while in the NHL and was a big reason for why Philly did struggle as much as they did. Now he made the scale tip over, and is dominating.

I could see three scenarios for Anisimov. Either that he takes a long time to develop, which would make it allot more likely that he would take the money in Russia, and the end product becomes more of a Russian Blair Betts type of player. Or that he develops faster and becomes a really good player. I think the first alternative unfortunately isn't all that unlikely. But I am definitly not counting him out.

Grachev on the other hand IMO is basically "on track" to become a like a much better Voros type of player, at the least. Like someone who adds a ton of puck protection down low to a player like Dubinsky or Gomez.

Grachev also have higher potential, but thats maybe not the most likely scenario.

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I really like Anisimov as a hockeyplayer. He have very high class all across the board. Its not strange that he pretty much was Russias go-to player in the last WJC's. He does everything pretty well atleast. He is pretty nifty et c.

But I like Grachev more as a prospect. Its really allot easier for a "roleplayer" to make it to the NHL, if he is put in the right enviorment. Grachev is a specialist. He "only" needs to be good enough in his "special" areas. If he can become strong enough along the boards, be fairly productive et c., then he will make it.

Anisimov lives on beeing a overwhelming package so to speak. His combination of speed, size, reach and stickhandling needs to overwhelm the D's he is up against for him to be effective. And here its a really fine breaking point. Take a player like Jeff Carter for example. Players like that are either dominating/really good, or pretty ineffective. Carter was IMO very ineffective for a long while in the NHL and was a big reason for why Philly did struggle as much as they did. Now he made the scale tip over, and is dominating.

I could see three scenarios for Anisimov. Either that he takes a long time to develop, which would make it allot more likely that he would take the money in Russia, and the end product becomes more of a Russian Blair Betts type of player. Or that he develops faster and becomes a really good player. I think the first alternative unfortunately isn't all that unlikely. But I am definitly not counting him out.

Grachev on the other hand IMO is basically "on track" to become a like a much better Voros type of player, at the least. Like someone who adds a ton of puck protection down low to a player like Dubinsky or Gomez.

Grachev also have higher potential, but thats maybe not the most likely scenario.
I'm not worried about Anisimov being a good player in the NHL. Players with his size, speed and smart are pretty much sure things. I never saw anything in Carter's game that suggested he struggled. Even when he was maturing he still scored 20 goals. The only prospects with size that struggle are the players who either can't skate well or that can skate but they are stupid because they have no hockey sense.

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All I know is this. Grachev and Anisimov are both really good 2 way forward prospects and they have size. Something this organization badly needs. If Dubinsky starts to play hockey and stops playing like a dog, the team might have some talented big forwards in a few years in Dubinsky, Korpikoski, Anisimov, Grachev, Dupont and Byers. I was really disappointed to see Byers get hurt. He's a guy that should play 85% of the time over a clown like Orr. I just don't understand why our stupid coach continues to play Orr in games where he isn't needed instead of putting a player on the 4th line that can provide some offense. Orr is needed in maybe about 20 games a year.
Dubinsky is not playing like a dog.

Scoring goals in the NHL is a difficult thing to do. If everyone could do it on a consistent basis, then guys like Ovechkin wouldn't be so special.

Dubinsky works his ass off every shift. He is in a little slump. It's fine by me. He is only 22 years old in his second full NHL season. He will be fine. He is a big, physical, talented player.


And no offense, because i know he's your guy, but Dupont has a LONG way to go if he ever hopes to crack the NHL lineup. He is not nearly consistent enough in his production. He's nearly 22 years old (Feb) and in his second full AHL season. And he isn't putting up the numbers that Dubinsky is in the NHL.

I HOPE Dupont can put it together. I liked him when we drafted him. But so far he hasn't played up to expectations.


On Byers. It is very unfortunate that he got injured. He is someone that could have cracked the NHL lineup this year at some point. And he does have a lot more skill then Orr. That's not saying much. But he is a gritty guy that could be a 4th line NHL player.

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never denied sangs can score BUT he's worse than kalinin on defense lol.
He will be fine. He is only 20 years old. In his first pro hockey season. Have to give him time.

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I think it says more about our terrible prospect pool and the fact that guys like Staal, Lundy, Dubi, Girardi and Callahan have cracked our NHL lineup.
We don't have a terrible prospect pool.

We have 4 NHL players in our system.

Anisimov, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, Grachev.

And other guys like Doyle, Stepan, Hagelin, Byers, and Owens may have something to say too.


Grachev playing this well in a short period of time is not shocking, IMO, as it is seems.

He was pegged as a first round talent. He fell because of the lack of transfer agreement, KHL vs NHL fiasco.

He is the real deal. We got VERY lucky no one snatched him up before we did.

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