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12-26-2008, 09:31 PM
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Agreed. This is the first time I saw him hustling , and that one move he made in the game, beating three (?) defenders on the penalty kill and getting off a shot was pretty sweet.

I'd gladly give up a point to have Horton be back the way he's supposed to be.

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12-26-2008, 09:34 PM
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My only concern is Artyukhin. Someone needs to deliver him a colossal (yet clean and not injury inducing) hit. Maybe Ballard will throw in a hip-check. Maybe McCabe will give him some nasty stuff along the boards.

Also, if Artyukhin is going to fight, he should have the class to at least take off his face-shielding helmet. But maybe common decency just isn't his strength.
I actually thought he got under our skin too much. We shouldn't have let him shift our focus on him as much as we did and just played our game.

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12-26-2008, 09:42 PM
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I actually thought he got under our skin too much. We shouldn't have let him shift our focus on him as much as we did and just played our game.

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Yea I remember where two of our players totally ignored the puck to run at Artukyhin which allowed the puck to get out of the lightning zone. You can't do that as mad as you are.

I'm optimistic about Horton's play in the last two games. Booth and Weiss both haven't looked good of late IMO but we've had others step up, which is what happens on a good team.

Anyone get frustrated on how often Dvorak misses the net or hits the goalie in the chest in close?

Frolik is going to really show what he's made of because he will be drawing the attention of the other teams. He's going to be railed and hit a lot. Physically he still seems relatively weak but that's what is separating him from what he'll become. As he gets stronger and more used to the NHL, he'll be able to grind in those games, but as a rookie, if he's focused on physically, that's how I believe other teams can neutralize him.

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12-26-2008, 09:52 PM
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woulda loved to see a frolik pt tonight

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12-26-2008, 10:01 PM
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woulda loved to see a frolik pt tonight
The coverage was too tight. And, unless focus shifts to McCabe or Stillman, I doubt that coverage on Frolik will loosen tomorrow.

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12-26-2008, 10:41 PM
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Glad to see everybody's joke sensors are in perfect working order...

Has anybody won with a shootout goalie swap?

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12-27-2008, 12:14 AM
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Horton played a really good game. He had some good hustle and played well. His chance shorthanded would have been on the highlight reel for a long time if he finished it. Hopefully his shootout goal will get some confidence in his shot.

It was nice to get a point, but we should never have been in that position. T-Vo gave up a couple of bad goals but the team plays better with the lead. I knew it would kill us if we didn't capitalize on the early jump we had.

And Frolik has got to learn to settle the puck down. He fans on a lot of chances. That partial break he had in the 1st, he clearly fanned on the shot going five-hole. In the shootout as well. Let's not forget the open nets. He has to just bare down and shoot, and not think about it. But for all I know it's just a really bad string of bouncy pucks that is preventing Frolik from having 10 goals this year already.

Let's go into Tampa and get a win. Hoping for a good game from Andy and a couple of goals from Horton.

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12-27-2008, 12:41 AM
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Weiss looks absolutely pathetic IMO. He's turned the puck over and passed to no-one more often tonight that I've ever seen from him. ....
man, i just wonder sometimes. the words brutal and pathetic should be off limits when it comes to you PR. sorry. they're used so indiscriminately, they has no meaning. weiss may not have been on tonight but... pathetic? does it make you feel better to say that? i mean, really. *nobody* looked really good tonight. holy !#@$... ok, i'm gonna control myself.

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i'm usually with you, rd. not sure what blackpanthers is talking about.

back to brutal, the closest you could find out there to brutal was vokie. lousy game for him and absolutely agree with giving him the hook. i was unhappy with several panthers on the 2nd goal, including kreps who appeared to blatently ignore mccabe's yell for a stick. that was a classic team failure - NOBODY up front got their stick to mccabe and nobody got a clear when they had a chance. also getting a FAIL tonight, tarnasky. sorry laus, this is twice in the span of a week or so where he's done the irrational - give the opponent a free jolt of energy after one of *our* goals. he's losing team points in my book. he was solid his first couple weeks here, working the forecheck, throwing his weight around and turning the tide... for US. now we're seeing the decision-making that has led to him being a journey man. he's not smart (or at least does not appear to be).

on to the good stuff - welch: another solid effort. again, he's doing the little things in his limited time. with cully signed for the year, he'll be getting limited time but like him going forward as a heady, defense-oriented guy. timmy: man, he was a hair off, a bit away from a goal or two but you can see an edge there. there was no doubt in my mind he was going to slam that shootout chance.

we were good to start the game but vokie's softie put us off-kilter a bit. i'm disappointed with the single point but in reality, when you give up a couple of goals like that, a point might be considered generous. i suspect we'll see a slightly more consistent effor tomorrow.

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12-27-2008, 01:04 AM
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man, i just wonder sometimes. the words brutal and pathetic should be off limits when it comes to you PR. sorry. they're used so indiscriminately, they has no meaning. weiss may not have been on tonight but... pathetic? does it make you feel better to say that? i mean, really. *nobody* looked really good tonight. holy !#@$... ok, i'm gonna control myself.
Tell me Weiss had even a mediocre game tonight. Please. He was as bad as I've ever seen him, looking like he did in games of his rookie year. I'm a big fan of him as he's one of my favorite players, but that doesn't mean that I won't state it when he has a bad game. He was not on at all and that's an understatement. He was not making any passes or creating any plays. He also was not winning a lot of key faceoffs. He tries that whole "go down on one knee" move on the draw and that's a play that most teams use for a desperation situation on the faceoff. Weiss does it nearly all the time. It just looks weak when he loses the draw and is on his knees. It's fine though, I'm glad he's trying something on draws and he did win a few by doing it as well. That's not my issue, but to me at least tonight, he had a seemingly inordinate number of turnovers.

He looked more like some of those bad 4th liners we had up last year who panicked and just threw it away when they got the puck. He's the heart and soul of this team and everyone can have an off-night, but he was very bad tonight, no doubt. Booth also hasn't been a factor of late. I know not many players were on tonight and the fact that we got a point is amazing considering that would never have happened in a million years with the teams of the past 8 years we've had here. All I stated was that the worst of the worst tonight included Weiss in my eyes, so if everyone's bad, that would make Weiss horrendous tonight, no?

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12-27-2008, 01:12 AM
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Glad to see everybody's joke sensors are in perfect working order...

Has anybody won with a shootout goalie swap?
Not sure if you could consider that a real swap. Vokoun did play the majority of the game. Not like he'd be going in cold.

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12-27-2008, 03:19 AM
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No PR96, he and Booth weren't "patheric" or "brutal." And "haven't looked good of late," what's that mean? One, maybe two, games is "of late?" I agree with ZeroG, it's one thing to say they didn't have a good game or didn't look good, but brutal and pathetic? Sorry, it's a little much.

Disagree again Zero, that fight had nothing to do with energy and everything to do with R2's running Frolik into the boards. It just happened to have happened after the goal. Problem was, R2 is way to big for Tarnasky, and again, a guy ran our whole team and controlled much of the outcome. Like Janssen can do to the Panthers. That's why a guy like Janssen, Neil, or a Lucic is needed. Someone who can keep up with the speed, but will make R2 pay with more than just a hurting hand. He taunted the whole team because he knew there was noone to make him eat his words. Won't ever have a problem with a guy protecting his teammate, I don't know how anyone had a problem with that.

T-Vo was rattled after his first goal, he deserved to be pulled, but should have been put back in, imo. Seems DeBoer didn't have confidence in him at that point.

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Vokoun was totally off his game. He should had the 1rst and 3rd goal. He gave up huge rebounds again. What I love about Anderson is his rebound control is so much better than Vokoun. But for the shootout I'd take any1 else than Anderson. Vokoun seems to be a shootout specialist so for not putting him back in the net was a BIG mistake by DeBoer.

When McCabe lost his stick I was sure we'd get scored on. Last time McCabe was without a stick we were scored on too

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OT... Capitals got a 14-1-1 record @ home. Arent we the only team they have lost in regulation @ home?

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Hey guys, didn't get a chance to watch the game last night. I saw the first 10 minutes of the first period and saw the weak goal Vokoun let in. Overall how'd we look? Just from looking at stats Horton didn't have any shots on goal. How did he play?

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12-27-2008, 05:46 AM
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Its ok boys, we got a point out of a game that we SUCKED in. This was the best thing that could of happened to them, other than a win. Sure they won it in the SO, but the momentum from the end of the 3rd and OT will surely give us some energy tomorrow. The Cats from the past few years would not of came back and do what they did, so a lot of credit has to go to them for at least battling back, he!! of an effort.

Nate looked good tonight too. I thought he played another good-effort game, and all he really needs to do is get some confidence back, and he will be fine. That move on the PK was sick too, dragging it and nearly getting it in far side.
It's as if the panthers fail when the goalies dont bail them out. I believe this was brought up before.........

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Disagree again Zero, that fight had nothing to do with energy and everything to do with R2's running Frolik into the boards. It just happened to have happened after the goal. Problem was, R2 is way to big for Tarnasky, and again, a guy ran our whole team and controlled much of the outcome. Like Janssen can do to the Panthers. That's why a guy like Janssen, Neil, or a Lucic is needed. Someone who can keep up with the speed, but will make R2 pay with more than just a hurting hand. He taunted the whole team because he knew there was noone to make him eat his words. Won't ever have a problem with a guy protecting his teammate, I don't know how anyone had a problem with that.
uh, i forgot about that hit on frolik. yeah, you're probably right. but you know, it was a perfectly clean hit. i know that's tradition goes way back but i don't necessarily agree with having to make the guy pay by fighting every time he throws a decent check. sometimes nowadays, i feel like it gets out of hand - it seems like *anytime* you touch a skill guy, you have to fight someone.

in any case, i think i'd feel better about him taking on guys in random situations if he knew he'd be at least able pull out a draw.

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It's as if the panthers fail when the goalies dont bail them out. I believe this was brought up before.........
Figured you would stop by since your team won tonight. The whole team played terrible, and didnt deserve the point at all. No worries though, we will beat you guys in your home arena tonight.

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uh, i forgot about that hit on frolik. yeah, you're probably right. but you know, it was a perfectly clean hit. i know that's tradition goes way back but i don't necessarily agree with having to make the guy pay by fighting every time he throws a decent check. sometimes nowadays, i feel like it gets out of hand - it seems like *anytime* you touch a skill guy, you have to fight someone.

in any case, i think i'd feel better about him taking on guys in random situations if he knew he'd be at least able pull out a draw.
R2 is a punk. Potvin and Lindsay said that there is an unwritten law in the game, in which you dont hit players when they are down. His showboating was pathetic and I hope he gets some of his own medicine tonight.

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OT... Capitals got a 14-1-1 record @ home. Arent we the only team they have lost in regulation @ home?
That is correct sir

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A bit late here, but watched the fights again, and man do I hate that Artjukin guy. He did not beat Tarnasky at all. After Tarnasky slipped Artjukin landed on top of him and starts pounding. What's with that? Then he celebrates as if he had KO'd Tarnasky. And if he is so tough, how come he fights with a visor? He did clean Boynton's bell though.

After trading Belak we don't have an answer to this like Laus723 said. I hate it, but it's just something we have to live with. Hopefully our guys are fired up tonight after seeing Artjukin's antics.

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R2 is a punk. Potvin and Lindsay said that there is an unwritten law in the game, in which you dont hit players when they are down. His showboating was pathetic and I hope he gets some of his own medicine tonight.
Yep, he's a punk. He is probably the biggest guy I've ever seen fight with a visor on; I think they're supposed to hand out a penalty for that. To top it off, he punches Boynton on the ice, and takes off his helmet after the fight to taunt the team. I'd like to see Stewart dressed today, if only to get a bigger guy out there.

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Yep, he's a punk. He is probably the biggest guy I've ever seen fight with a visor on; I think they're supposed to hand out a penalty for that. To top it off, he punches Boynton on the ice, and takes off his helmet after the fight to taunt the team. I'd like to see Stewart dressed today, if only to get a bigger guy out there.
On the other hand, stuff like this takes the rivalry of these teams to another level. I think it's been a bit in the background for awile, am I right? Anyway, I can feel the hate level climbing now...

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Yep, he's a punk. He is probably the biggest guy I've ever seen fight with a visor on; I think they're supposed to hand out a penalty for that. To top it off, he punches Boynton on the ice, and takes off his helmet after the fight to taunt the team. I'd like to see Stewart dressed today, if only to get a bigger guy out there.
punk might be too nice a word for him (i like punks, punk rock..). seriously though, yeah, he is a scrapper and the shots on boynton were cheap. don't blame boynton for getting up and going back after him. not sure if that was intended as a response to my questioning nasty's fight with him or...?

i was thinking about stewie as well and he'd definitely bring some more weight but i don't know if he can match r2 punch for punch. based on PDB's rotation i expect him in the lineup tonight anyhow.

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Figured you would stop by since your team won tonight. The whole team played terrible, and didnt deserve the point at all. No worries though, we will beat you guys in your home arena tonight.
we have a winner.

i mean, c'mon 39 - the team scored 3 times. that's your chief complaint, right - scoring? they got the puck past smith, who was on his game, thrice. any team is gonna have a hard time winning when their starter drops a duece as vokie did last night.

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