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12-27-2008, 04:11 PM
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And Pyatt is quadrupling Selanne when it comes to even-strength goals. Ergo, Pyatt>Selanne.

Back on topic though, I don't get the Pyatt hate around here. He's a handy player when used properly, not his fault that he's being miscast for the most part.

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AV is the problem.it's so frustrating to see such a clueless coach in terms of pacing and lineup.

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And Pyatt is quadrupling Selanne when it comes to even-strength goals. Ergo, Pyatt>Selanne.

Back on topic though, I don't get the Pyatt hate around here. He's a handy player when used properly, not his fault that he's being miscast for the most part.
People hate Taylor Pyatt the top 6 forward. People don't mind Taylor Pyatt the bottom 6 forward. Simple as that.

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12-27-2008, 04:13 PM
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People hate Taylor Pyatt the top 6 forward. People don't mind Taylor Pyatt the bottom 6 forward. Simple as that.
But surely that hate is then misguided. I hate Luongo the right winger, love the goaltender.

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12-27-2008, 04:14 PM
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People hate Taylor Pyatt the top 6 forward. People don't mind Taylor Pyatt the bottom 6 forward. Simple as that.
Wrong, Canucks fans all over have dubbed him "redundant" and "useless"...save for some here but many would get rid of him if they had the chance.

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12-27-2008, 04:15 PM
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The hate shouldn't be directed at Pyatt though unless he holds photo's of AV in vulnerable act's forcing his top 6 decision.

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12-27-2008, 04:16 PM
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Wrong, Canucks fans all over have dubbed him "redundant" and "useless"...save for some here but many would get rid of him if they had the chance.
Well, I see their point, but clearly Taylor Pyatt on the 4th line is one of the best 4th liners in the league. That being said, it's not wise to pay so much money to a 4th liner if it means we can't upgrade the team elsewhere due to cap issues.

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12-27-2008, 04:16 PM
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But surely that hate is then misguided. I hate Luongo the right winger, love the goaltender.
I never felt that AV was a good coach.

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12-27-2008, 04:18 PM
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That is too bad, as much as people rip on him, he is a solid player. It isn't his fault that AV puts him in a role he shouldn't be playing.

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12-27-2008, 04:22 PM
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Well, I see their point, but clearly Taylor Pyatt on the 4th line is one of the best 4th liners in the league. That being said, it's not wise to pay so much money to a 4th liner if it means we can't upgrade the team elsewhere due to cap issues.
1.6 mil is too much? Tucker and Marchant are getting paid 2.5...I admit, Pyatts 300k overpaid here but he's not worth getting rid of to free up that tiny bit of space. He also tends to perform much better in the Playoffs (With Buffalo and 07 playoffs)

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12-27-2008, 04:27 PM
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And Pyatt is quadrupling Selanne when it comes to even-strength goals. Ergo, Pyatt>Selanne.
It was a simple rebuttle to a "look at the stats when Pyatt is playing on a higher line OMG!" argument. And then you go and tell me that stats arent the best way to determine a players worth!

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12-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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Its nice to be able to see who on here actually pays attention to hockey games. Beyond the first 10 or so games of the season Pyatt has played well, he wont score a tone of goals but he can pot one in once in a while, but more importantly he plays great defenisvly makes very few mistakes, ads size to the lineup and fills out the bottom siz perfectly with the ability to fill in in the top 6 and not look too out of place. Personally I dont even think he is really overpayed(2-3 hundred grand at the most).

Honestly this is going to hurt the Canucks on the PK and personally I have actually been hoping lately that Pyat gets resigned for next year, assuming he gets a fare contract. Around mill for a year or two would be great for him to fill in the bottom six and help out the pk.

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12-27-2008, 04:36 PM
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Before anyone starts jumping up and down celebrating, this more than likely means more Mike Brown.

Whoopie.
At least we won't have the #2 leading scorer on the 4th line anymore. And when Sundin joins, Brown is out.

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12-27-2008, 04:38 PM
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exactly how did Pyatt break his ankle? Did he not play last night? Just curious is all. I just don't remember him going down at all in the game.

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exactly how did Pyatt break his ankle? Did he not play last night? Just curious is all. I just don't remember him going down at all in the game.
As I recall, it was a Canuck PP and Edler or Ohlund slapped it. My faulty memory tells me the first shot hit an Oiler then came back to the D-man who shot it again hitting Pyatt on the foot.

There were so many of these slappers that hit players (Cogliano, Staios, Pyatt, etc.) last night... it's all a fog.

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That sucks.

One less option to play around with.

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Know exactly when it happened...
It was in the first period , a point blank shot by Ohlund... Pyatt was
about 25 feet away from him looking the other way, and it almost
looked like Ohlund shot it right at him... (of course he would never
do that), but the shot went off his ankle

My wife joked and said... Was that on purpose? and laughed.

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The guy has 4 goals and 10 points and is playing on the 2nd line.

Wellwood has 13 goals and 18 points and is playing on the 4th line.
That's a bit of an oversimplification.

First off, Wellwood gets more pp/even strength TOI than Pyatt.

Second, Wellwood is primarily a scorer while being a liability when he's not scoring, whereas Pyatt is a checking forward first and a scoring forward second.

Third, what's this obsession with second/fourth line? Who cares? No lines are set. First/second/third lines mean nothing. They might indicate who the more important players are in some cases, and they might indicate who gets the most icetime, but overall it means nothing.

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You have to laugh, the one time a defenseman gets the shot on net, it injures our own player.

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That's a bit of an oversimplification.

First off, Wellwood gets more pp/even strength TOI than Pyatt.

Second, Wellwood is primarily a scorer while being a liability when he's not scoring, whereas Pyatt is a checking forward first and a scoring forward second.

Third, what's this obsession with second/fourth line? Who cares? No lines are set. First/second/third lines mean nothing. They might indicate who the more important players are in some cases, and they might indicate who gets the most icetime, but overall it means nothing.
Well, I'm glad to see someone coming into this thread with some sense.

Can't believe the number of posters on this board that gleefully propose sticking three fluffy headed dandies together to form a line. Sure, let's put Raymond, Wellwood and Demitra out there. Watch the rookie kill himself trying to dig the puck out along the boards or go to the front of the net against 240 pound defenders.

Or, better yet, let's put Sundin with Wellwood and Demitra. Yup, get that 37, soon to be 38, year old guy out there in front of the net so that Wellwood and Demitra can do their thing on the periphery.

This team does not need fewer players who will dig out the puck along the boards and go to the front of the net, it needs more. Pyatt was injured in front of the net. There are any number of our guys who are in no danger of having this happen to them.

Vigneault knows exactly what he is doing. He is trying to create balanced lines with some skill and some grit. That is why he is trying Hansen with the Sedins. That is why Pyatt kept getting time with Demitra and Raymond.

It all comes back to our drafting. We don't have a stock of top line players who play with an edge. Vigneault doesn't have the pieces that he needs to put together an effective offence.

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So inserting Sundin now will not be a problem now.

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That's a bit of an oversimplification.

First off, Wellwood gets more pp/even strength TOI than Pyatt.

Second, Wellwood is primarily a scorer while being a liability when he's not scoring, whereas Pyatt is a checking forward first and a scoring forward second.

Third, what's this obsession with second/fourth line? Who cares? No lines are set. First/second/third lines mean nothing. They might indicate who the more important players are in some cases, and they might indicate who gets the most icetime, but overall it means nothing.
Incorrect.

Also, Pyatt has been on the ice for 17 goals against, whereas Wellwood has only been on for 8. Pyatt is a -4 and Wellwood a +7 and for a guy who's considered a PP specialist, thats quite good.

And the obsession is obvious. Wellwood is playing with Mike Brown and Darcy Hordichuk, whereas Pyatt is playing with the likes of the Sedins, Demitra and Raymond.


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Well, I'm glad to see someone coming into this thread with some sense.

Can't believe the number of posters on this board that gleefully propose sticking three fluffy headed dandies together to form a line. Sure, let's put Raymond, Wellwood and Demitra out there. Watch the rookie kill himself trying to dig the puck out along the boards or go to the front of the net against 240 pound defenders.

Or, better yet, let's put Sundin with Wellwood and Demitra. Yup, get that 37, soon to be 38, year old guy out there in front of the net so that Wellwood and Demitra can do their thing on the periphery.

This team does not need fewer players who will dig out the puck along the boards and go to the front of the net, it needs more. Pyatt was injured in front of the net. There are any number of our guys who are in no danger of having this happen to them.

Vigneault knows exactly what he is doing. He is trying to create balanced lines with some skill and some grit. That is why he is trying Hansen with the Sedins. That is why Pyatt kept getting time with Demitra and Raymond.

It all comes back to our drafting. We don't have a stock of top line players who play with an edge. Vigneault doesn't have the pieces that he needs to put together an effective offence.
Yeah so with Pyatt out let's put Mike Brown in the top 6. He'll do Pyatt's job just fine by not scoring in the next 10 games.

Ugh.

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Incorrect.

Also, Pyatt has been on the ice for 17 goals against, whereas Wellwood has only been on for 8. Pyatt is a -4 and Wellwood a +7 and for a guy who's considered a PP specialist, thats quite good.

And the obsession is obvious. Wellwood is playing with Mike Brown and Darcy Hordichuk, whereas Pyatt is playing with the likes of the Sedins, Demitra and Raymond.

Im not really seeing the logic in what you saying here. You are saying that Pyatt has a low +/-, well that should be a given, seeing as he is on the PK, where as Wellwood plays on the PP.. Now you dont have to be a math expert to know that your gonna score more on the PP and get socred on more SH. So that does pretty well to explain why both of their +/- stand where they do.

Granted, i will agree that Pyatt should not be playing in the top six, i am not going to stress the value of Wellwood over Pyatt. They are two very different players, who are made to do two very different things, the only person who is in the wrong here is AV for playing Pyatt in the top 6 and Wellwood in the bottom 6; they are still both valuble players to this team in thier own way.

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Im not really seeing the logic in what you saying here. You are saying that Pyatt has a low +/-, well that should be a given, seeing as he is on the PK, where as Wellwood plays on the PP.. Now you dont have to be a math expert to know that your gonna score more on the PP and get socred on more SH. So that does pretty well to explain why both of their +/- stand where they do.

Granted, i will agree that Pyatt should not be playing in the top six, i am not going to stress the value of Wellwood over Pyatt. They are two very different players, who are made to do two very different things, the only person who is in the wrong here is AV for playing Pyatt in the top 6 and Wellwood in the bottom 6; they are still both valuble players to this team in thier own way.
Maybe you should learn the game first. PK/PP doesn't affect ones +/-

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