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12-31-2008, 12:55 PM
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I'm trying to think of others, but I think these take the cake. These two worthless momos have candcuffed the team for years. Terrible job by Sather (shocker)

Ahem...Uh yeah...becuase the team was in first place for all of the other bad contracts they handed out over the years... Nedved, "Skrewed"lund, Keane, Holik, Lindros, Ulanov.

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Ahem...Uh yeah...becuase the team was in first place for all of the other bad contracts they handed out over the years... Nedved, "Skrewed"lund, Keane, Holik, Lindros, Ulanov.
Agreed, but they were pre-lockout/salary cap. A contract like Drury or Redden's affects the team's ability to improve.

Basically Renney must be fired so that we can try to maximize the return on the players we do have.

It's all about ROI

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12-31-2008, 01:13 PM
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Agreed, but they were pre-lockout/salary cap. A contract like Drury or Redden's affects the team's ability to improve.

Basically Renney must be fired so that we can try to maximize the return on the players we do have.

It's all about ROI
No it affects our ability to not make dumb quick fix, irrational moves that will hurt us longterm.

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12-31-2008, 01:15 PM
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Agreed, but they were pre-lockout/salary cap. A contract like Drury or Redden's affects the team's ability to improve.

Basically Renney must be fired so that we can try to maximize the return on the players we do have.

It's all about ROI

I hear ya...But, how many Ranger fans this offseason thought the club would be sittin atop the Atlantic?

I do however agree that Sather has somewhat overpaid for these guys. Redden way more so than Drury. But, I think it had more to do with the midset that the cap was going to continue to increase. Next year is going to be tough especially considering there are quite a few RFA's that should be re-signed, and a UFA in Dan Girardi due a hefty raise.

But, gotta cross that bridge later. For now the team has to find a way to get the most out of these guys. Firing Renney might be a bit much at this point. I am not his biggest fan either, but there is no denying that the team overall has been far more successful with him behind the bench than anyone pretty much since Mike Keenan. I think this club will need a massive losing streak before he is terminated. Like a 6 or 7 game streak. The upcoming schedule will tell a lot about this team. Very tough strectch ahead. Personally I would be happy if they play 500 hockey in Jan. Not that 500 is great, but for the schedule and quality of opponents I would take that.

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12-31-2008, 01:18 PM
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I'll say it again; Looking back on the circumstances leading up to his signing, Drury was not overpaid. How do I come to this conclusion? Here:

Drury 06-07 season stats:

Goals: 37 (15th overall in the league, #2 on the Sabres)
Assists: 32
PP Goals: 17 (Tied for 4th overall)
Game Winning Goals: 9 (Tied for 2nd overall)
Face-off Percentage: 58.8% (Tied for 3rd overall)
Shooting Percentage: 18.6% (7th overall)

Was that year an anomaly for him? Absolutely. However, that was his season leading up to free agency, which is what teams are going to look at the most when it comes to setting a price for a player. Now, take that into consideration and add in the following:

- He was widely regarded as one of the best FA centers on the market.
- He carried with him all of the 'intangibles' that he's known for.
- He's won a cup, and had a big part in doing so.
- He essentially turned the tide of the series against us in the 07 playoffs, thus automatically building up Sather's image of him.
- Other teams bidding for his services, thus driving up his price.

I'd gladly pay that Drury $7 mil a year if he could keep up that kind of play-- which is exactly what Sather was hoping for. So far he's been hit and miss, but until the team comes together and shows some dedication to the style they want to play, it's going to stay that way.
Really one of the best posts I've seen in a while.

I'll be the first to say that I haven't been a big fan of Drury this season. I feel that he often gets credited for things he doesn't really do, but we have about three other threads where that can be discussed.

However, I'm also not a hypocrite and I have no problem admitting that when Drury was signed I highly approved of the move basically for all the reasons you stated here.

Drury got the contract he did because he happened to have a career year at exactly the right moment. Also, Nylander was out (for better or worse), and the Rangers needed TWO centers. None of us expected Dubinsky to evolve into a viable second line center as quickly as he did. Sather went out and filled a team need as best he could.

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I find it amusing that everyone has found their outrage over the gomez and drury signings all of the sudden.

I remember that off season when there were only a couple of posters saying we shouldn't go out and break the bank, let's develop from our system, complete the rebuild.

That was not a popular sentiment in ranger land that summer.

This Redden signing was pure crap and everyone knew that from day 1 so carry on.

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Just thought I'd revisit this one again

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#1 Drury, #2 Gomez, #3 Redden.

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i personally believe gomez is our worst signing ever.

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i personally believe gomez is our worst signing ever.
I blame Larry Brooks.

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i personally believe gomez is our worst signing ever.
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Personally i am inclined to say all 3 have been just as bad as each other and what makes it all the more unbearable is we will more than likely have to suffer through at least 3 more years of them because of the ridiculous cap hit and length of contract.

I want the 3 of them gone and my birthday is coming up, guess what i want

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I think people fail to think about the past when the present is going so badly for this team. Give Redden and Drury a break. Redden has a God-awful contract- that I can agree on. If we had better coaching maybe he could live up to it more. Drury is fine in my eyes as long as he can step it up more... definitely not the worst signing ever though.

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02-07-2009, 11:38 AM
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I'm trying to think of others, but I think these take the cake. These two worthless momos have candcuffed the team for years. Terrible job by Sather (shocker)
Ever hear of Scott Gomez?

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Ever hear of Scott Gomez?
He's on the Devils, right?

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Drury, Gomez and Redden have ridiculous contracts both in their size and length. It's amazing to me to see how many Eastern Conf teams (Rangers, Ottawa, Philly, Pitt) tie up so much money long term in just a few players. The Rangers have roughtly 1/2 of their cap dollars tied up in 4 players for the next 5 years. Compare the salary compositions of these teams with the Western Conf powerhouses like Detroit and San Jose which are far less top heavy and more balanced. If Drury, Gomez, Redden and Lundqvist don't perform like the superstar salaries they command, the Rangers are doomed with no way out. The next Ottawa distaster in the making perhaps?

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Valeri Kamensky, Mike Keane, and Brian Skrudland kind of sucked too....

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Gomez is at least visible.

Redden you notice his existence.

I can't even tell when Drury is on the ice.

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You think Drury is worse than Holik, Ulanov, or Kamensky? Come on.

IN A CAP WORLD???? Its not close, Drury is much worse.

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i think giving drury the C got to his head

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Drury's is a lot worse than the Gomez contract.

Gomez can still, in a hopeful world, get somewhat better and prove that he is worth at least half of what he makes.

Drury is invisible and is at the point in his career where he will most likely get progressively worse year by year.

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Gomez is at least visible.

Redden you notice his existence.

I can't even tell when Drury is on the ice.
Hello everyone, this is the Madison Square Garden Ice speaking. I don't usually speak in public, especially not on hockey forums, but I felt it necessary to say something here. Heck, even I can't tell when Chris Drury is on me. He makes Scott Gomez look... marginally less overpaid. Thanks for letting me vent, nobody ever wants to listen to the ice.

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Gomez is at least visible.

Redden you notice his existence.

I can't even tell when Drury is on the ice.
99% of the time gomez being visible is not a good thing. i'm just praying for him to stay quiet and not **** up. let the real players with heart handle business.

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You think Drury is worse than Holik, Ulanov, or Kamensky? Come on.
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as bad as Ulanov was, he wasn't a player that impacted the team so much like Kamensky. Holik was awful but mostly because his salary was like, what? $9M per?

the only thing I can complain about Drury is his salary and that was from market conditions. He's providing pretty much what he's capable of. If we had a better powerplay, he might be contributing more in that department which is the only difference in his production this season and his better seasons. If Sather had gotten Drury and Briere instead of Drury - Gomez, it could have gone really well. Of course our PP system could still suck and Briere could be injured like he is now and that would probably suck more but we probably wouldn't be as pissed about it because injuries happen.

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