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01-01-2009, 09:35 PM
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the only basis for comparison I have is the other prospects at dev camp, and his was certainly one of the better ones there. But it didn't jump out at me like Nigel William's did at rookie camp (he's got a freaking bomb). His style of play though, certainly reminded me of Boyle. I like the Morris comparison that someone mentioned too. But you never really know until prospects start actually playing with the big boys, so I don't want to get carried away.

Others probably have a better idea of his shot than me after watching him in actual games (I don't get the WJC ).
I'd say Williams has a more potent shot, but Shattenkirk's is more accurate. I think the Avs can afford to give him three years at BU to round out his game. With all of the defensemen outside of Leopold and Tjarnqvist signed through at least next season, there is no reason to rush him (not that I expect the Avs to, they are one of the few NHL teams that actually appreciates the NCAA system of development).

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01-02-2009, 08:18 AM
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the only basis for comparison I have is the other prospects at dev camp, and his was certainly one of the better ones there. But it didn't jump out at me like Nigel William's did at rookie camp (he's got a freaking bomb). His style of play though, certainly reminded me of Boyle. I like the Morris comparison that someone mentioned too. But you never really know until prospects start actually playing with the big boys, so I don't want to get carried away.
I completely agree. Too many guys have looked really good in camp play, only to flame out - really quickly - at the top level. I also went to camp and saw Williams. He does have a bomb. But, I seem to remember him getting fleeced a few times in his own end. I think it was Tessier who did that? Don't remember exactly...

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Others probably have a better idea of his shot than me after watching him in actual games (I don't get the WJC ).
I saw him in the last game against Canada, and in part of the first game against Germany. I thought he looked very good moving the puck, so-so defensively (though I'm not bummed about that, as I don't know how much of a system they can put in place for these tournaments), but I don't recall him having many open shots, so that's why I asked.

I'd really like to hear from someone who's seen him play consistently at school. There, he has teammates he's used to working with, and I'm assuming he's working within a system he understands and is comfortable with; therefore, one could reasonably judge his defensive play, you know?

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I completely agree. Too many guys have looked really good in camp play, only to flame out - really quickly - at the top level. I also went to camp and saw Williams. He does have a bomb. But, I seem to remember him getting fleeced a few times in his own end. I think it was Tessier who did that? Don't remember exactly...
Yes, that was Tessier. He gave Williams fits the entire camp. Williams offensive numbers are a bit of a disappointment, but all the best talent on the team is injured or currently up with Colorado. Though I'd like to see a different coaching staff down in Lake Erie.

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I saw him in the last game against Canada, and in part of the first game against Germany. I thought he looked very good moving the puck, so-so defensively (though I'm not bummed about that, as I don't know how much of a system they can put in place for these tournaments), but I don't recall him having many open shots, so that's why I asked.

I'd really like to hear from someone who's seen him play consistently at school. There, he has teammates he's used to working with, and I'm assuming he's working within a system he understands and is comfortable with; therefore, one could reasonably judge his defensive play, you know?

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I'll offer my opinion, though I've only seen him play about 15-20 times, but that's both at BU and in international tournaments (U-20 and U-18). He'll be an average defender as a pro, not physical, but he can ride defenders off the puck effectively and can keep up due to his skating. At BU he has been paired with fellow Avs draftee Colby Cohen. These guys are great friends and room mates. It took him a few months to adjust and he got off to a slow start his freshman season (this most likely cost him a spot on the 2008 US U-20 team).

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Yes, that was Tessier. He gave Williams fits the entire camp. Williams offensive numbers are a bit of a disappointment, but all the best talent on the team is injured or currently up with Colorado. Though I'd like to see a different coaching staff down in Lake Erie.



I'll offer my opinion, though I've only seen him play about 15-20 times, but that's both at BU and in international tournaments (U-20 and U-18). He'll be an average defender as a pro, not physical, but he can ride defenders off the puck effectively and can keep up due to his skating. At BU he has been paired with fellow Avs draftee Colby Cohen. These guys are great friends and room mates. It took him a few months to adjust and he got off to a slow start his freshman season (this most likely cost him a spot on the 2008 US U-20 team).
Are you saying he'll be an average defenseman as a pro, or that his defending skills will be average, and that his offense will make up for that and make him a top pairing defender (Rafalski like)?

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His defending skills will be average. His offense and intangibles will carry him in the NHL.

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it sure seems the hockey world is jealous of our pick of shatty right now eh?

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it sure seems the hockey world is jealous of our pick of shatty right now eh?
I wouldn't go that far. When you draft a player in the first round, top 15, you are expecting him to be a good NHL player. He will be a solid pick though. I am hoping he will be a Brian Rafalski type player. May be asking too much, but that is what he looks like to me.

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I wouldn't go that far. When you draft a player in the first round, top 15, you are expecting him to be a good NHL player. He will be a solid pick though. I am hoping he will be a Brian Rafalski type player. May be asking too much, but that is what he looks like to me.
i understand, but i'm not sure people expected him to be as good as he is, thats all

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His defending skills will be average. His offense and intangibles will carry him in the NHL.
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I wouldn't go that far. When you draft a player in the first round, top 15, you are expecting him to be a good NHL player. He will be a solid pick though. I am hoping he will be a Brian Rafalski type player. May be asking too much, but that is what he looks like to me.
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i understand, but i'm not sure people expected him to be as good as he is, thats all
Just wait until Peter McNabb and Mike Haynes get a load of this kid. He'll be the second coming of


Paul Coffey


with of a mix of Bobby Orr


and a sprinkling of Nicklas Lidstrom throw in for good measure.

We should surely trade him after his first regular season game (televised by Altitude) while his value is high.

[edit...even if you think I'm a dork for this post, do yourself a favor and watch the Bobby Orr clip...it's a beauty...even if you don't love the silky, smooth tunes of Carly Simon...it's somehow...appropriate.]

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Just wait until Peter McNabb and Mike Haynes get a load of this kid. He'll be the second coming of


Paul Coffey


with of a mix of Bobby Orr


and a sprinkling of Nicklas Lidstrom throw in for good measure.

We should surely trade him after his first regular season game (televised by Altitude) while his value is high.

[edit...even if you think I'm a dork for this post, do yourself a favor and watch the Bobby Orr clip...it's a beauty...even if you don't love the silky, smooth tunes of Carly Simon...it's somehow...appropriate.]
I LOVE bobby orr!

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I LOVE bobby orr!
Who doesn't??...Uh, outside of St. Louis that is....

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i understand, but i'm not sure people expected him to be as good as he is, thats all
With so many potential top-end defensemen in that draft (aside from Hickey and Alzner, the rest of the 9 that went first round were all over the place in the pre-draft rankings), I think a lot of people expected some of them to wind up as busts. While he's still a few years off from showing that he's not a first round bust, his performance in the WJCs this year--both on the ice and on the statsheet--certainly has acted as a coming out party for most non-Av fans. He's now on a lot more radars.

To me, I think it's basically the safest 1st round pick this organization has made in a decade. I think at worst he'll become a bottom-pairing powerplay specialist (similar to MA Bergeron), and at best he'll be a top-2 defenseman who can play in all situations and eat 22-25 minutes per night. At the same token, from what I saw from his play in the WJCs, I'd love it if he were to stay in Boston for a full four years. There's no urgency to put him in the lineup and rush his development with Liles and Leopold (yes, I'm holding out hope he's re-signed) on the squad, and Cumiskey on the horizon.

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With so many potential top-end defensemen in that draft (aside from Hickey and Alzner, the rest of the 9 that went first round were all over the place in the pre-draft rankings), I think a lot of people expected some of them to wind up as busts. While he's still a few years off from showing that he's not a first round bust, his performance in the WJCs this year--both on the ice and on the statsheet--certainly has acted as a coming out party for most non-Av fans. He's now on a lot more radars.

To me, I think it's basically the safest 1st round pick this organization has made in a decade. I think at worst he'll become a bottom-pairing powerplay specialist (similar to MA Bergeron), and at best he'll be a top-2 defenseman who can play in all situations and eat 22-25 minutes per night. At the same token, from what I saw from his play in the WJCs, I'd love it if he were to stay in Boston for a full four years. There's no urgency to put him in the lineup and rush his development with Liles and Leopold (yes, I'm holding out hope he's re-signed) on the squad, and Cumiskey on the horizon.
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i understand, but i'm not sure people expected him to be as good as he is, thats all
You're probably right but if he's drafted by the Canadiens at 12 or the Rangers at 17 the hype train would have him potted as a top 25 prospect right now. Now if you want a really disgusting thought, imagine what hfboards would be saying about him if he fell to Detroit at 27 overall.

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With so many potential top-end defensemen in that draft (aside from Hickey and Alzner, the rest of the 9 that went first round were all over the place in the pre-draft rankings), I think a lot of people expected some of them to wind up as busts. While he's still a few years off from showing that he's not a first round bust, his performance in the WJCs this year--both on the ice and on the statsheet--certainly has acted as a coming out party for most non-Av fans. He's now on a lot more radars.

To me, I think it's basically the safest 1st round pick this organization has made in a decade. I think at worst he'll become a bottom-pairing powerplay specialist (similar to MA Bergeron), and at best he'll be a top-2 defenseman who can play in all situations and eat 22-25 minutes per night. At the same token, from what I saw from his play in the WJCs, I'd love it if he were to stay in Boston for a full four years. There's no urgency to put him in the lineup and rush his development with Liles and Leopold (yes, I'm holding out hope he's re-signed) on the squad, and Cumiskey on the horizon.
We also forget that his future pairing defenseman Colby Cohen is developing right along side him at BU. Both players look great this year.

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We also forget that his future pairing defenseman Colby Cohen is developing right along side him at BU. Both players look great this year.
I love the fact that they're side by side at BU. That's gotta have some semblance of motivational value for them. For two young kids like that to hypothesize about playing in the big show together (hopefully for years)--like we know they inevitably do, it's gotta increase their hunger and passion to get better.

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I love the fact that they're side by side at BU. That's gotta have some semblance of motivational value for them. For two young kids like that to hypothesize about playing in the big show together (hopefully for years)--like we know they inevitably do, it's gotta increase their hunger and passion to get better.
Exactly, a little friendly competition. Also good to develop chemistry as well. Apparently I read they played together even before they went to BU. Is that true?

I also agree that Shattenkirk needs at least 1 more year at BU. By that time, Foote, Clark, Salei, Leopold and Tjarnqvist will all be gone (barring re-signing). I assume thats when he makes his jump. Next year, as Jori has pointed out many times, only Leo and Tjarnqvist are UFA's so theres not much room for him to make the squad, plus I think he needs to round out his defensive game a bit more with one more solid year at the NCAA level.


*PS, I hope we re-sign Leopold and trade Salei and Clark (or atleast 1 of them). Looks like we'll be atleast moderate sellers at the deadline, and they should both bring back a solid return (maybe second rounder for Clark, 1st for Salei?) Rivet got a 1st remember...

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Exactly, a little friendly competition. Also good to develop chemistry as well. Apparently I read they played together even before they went to BU. Is that true?
I remember reading that they played against each other a lot growing up. They were also on the USNTDP together for a while.

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Just wait until Peter McNabb and Mike Haynes get a load of this kid. He'll be the second coming of


Paul Coffey


with of a mix of Bobby Orr


and a sprinkling of Nicklas Lidstrom throw in for good measure.

We should surely trade him after his first regular season game (televised by Altitude) while his value is high.

[edit...even if you think I'm a dork for this post, do yourself a favor and watch the Bobby Orr clip...it's a beauty...even if you don't love the silky, smooth tunes of Carly Simon...it's somehow...appropriate.]
You just described Brett Clark.

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