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12-31-2008, 11:13 PM
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Columbus and Pittsburgh

This is NOT my personal proposal. It is lifted directly from the Columbus Dispatch's "Puck-Rakers" blog, and I bolded the actual proposal itself:

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/2008/12/tradin_times.shtml

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I'm curious what the local hockey fans would think if the Blue Jackets traded Rick Nash? To be clear, I've heard nothing that would suggest this is happening or even being considered, I'm just wondering what people would think.

It would be a blockbuster, for sure. I came up with this one the other day: Nash to the Penguins for Jordan Staal, Ryan Whitney and Kris Letang.

I'm not sure the Penguins would do that.

Would you?
Discuss.

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12-31-2008, 11:18 PM
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This is NOT my personal proposal. It is lifted directly from the Columbus Dispatch's "Puck-Rakers" blog, and I bolded the actual proposal itself:

http://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/2008/12/tradin_times.shtml



Discuss.
ugggg, the dispatch.

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12-31-2008, 11:21 PM
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ugggg, the dispatch.
Discuss the trade idea, NOT the Dispatch.

Actually, I saw it mentioned again in the weekly CBJ chat the Dispatch has:

http://bluejacketsxtra.com/live/cont...t.html?sid=101

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Aaron Portzline: If Nash doesn't sign an extension on July 1, Howson has a responsibility to see what the market will bear. The press box wags put this deal together the other night: Nash to Pittsburgh for Jordan Staal, Ryan Whitney and Kris Letang. This stuff is fun when you're not in the hot seat. I don't think Howson is shopping Nash right now. But he can't let him walk away after next season without any compensation. He would be foolish to do that.

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12-31-2008, 11:25 PM
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Discuss the trade idea, NOT the Dispatch.

Actually, I saw it mentioned again in the weekly CBJ chat the Dispatch has:

http://bluejacketsxtra.com/live/cont...t.html?sid=101
well. Honestly, compare what the Pens traded for Hossa. To get Nash, it'll be essentially a similar deal. Staal could be likely since I don't think they are going to be able to re sign him to a deal because of cap constraints. Meh...

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12-31-2008, 11:29 PM
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Replace Letang with a first or second round pick or a forward.

Letang > Whitney (though it's close), and I don't want to part with both of those defensemen.

Staal, Whitney, 1st, or Staal, Whitney, Kennedy.

Something like that makes this more feasible.

Shero has shown, fortunately or unfortunately, that he won't overpay for anything, even if it's a good move.

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12-31-2008, 11:31 PM
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Discuss.
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Letang > Whitney (though it's close)
What?

It's time I say it. Why are Pens fans so impressed with Letang this year? He's been pretty meh to say the least.

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Pittsburgh guts its defensive corps and trades one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL who's 20 years old and has a ton of upside for...Rick Nash? Uh...no.

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12-31-2008, 11:34 PM
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In all fairness, Rick Nash is one of the better power forwards in the nhl, and he's shown flash on the international floor. Of all the players in the trade, he is the best.


I think Staal, Letang, and a first for Nash is pretty legit.

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I think I'd like it from the Pens pov. Staal, Whitney & Letang is still a ton to give up but I guess you gotta give up something to get something. We'd go from Geno/Sid + a deep group of quality young D-men & cheaper washed up wingers to Geno/Sid/Nash & probably a group of cheaper washed up D-men... I guess

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What?

It's time I say it. Why are Pens fans so impressed with Letang this year? He's been pretty meh to say the least.
He hasn't scored, but his puck moving has been very good, he's a smooth skater, and other than a few lapses, he's been sound defensively.

In fact, he has probably been our best all around defenseman to this point.

What has Whitney done this season?

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12-31-2008, 11:51 PM
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He hasn't scored, but his puck moving has been very good, he's a smooth skater, and other than a few lapses, he's been sound defensively.

In fact, he has probably been our best all around defenseman to this point.

What has Whitney done this season?
He's been very average defensively and very hesitant offensively. Maybe I just had high hopes this year for him, but he's my biggest disappointment on the Pens thus far.

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He's been very average defensively and very hesitant offensively. Maybe I just had high hopes this year for him, but he's my biggest disappointment on the Pens thus far.
Biggest disappointment?

I don't really see the argument for being a disappointment at all, but that's your opinion.

How could you possibly say he's been a bigger disappointment than, oh say, the Penguins' powerplay?

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I'd be tempted only because Nash is THE winger (Iggy is a very close second) that I would love to see on Sid's wing.

I would balk at losing both of those D-men though.

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Biggest disappointment?

I don't really see the argument for being a disappointment at all, but that's your opinion.

How could you possibly say he's been a bigger disappointment than, oh say, the Penguins' powerplay?
I was talking individual players, and it wasn't hard to predict a crappy PP when Whitney and Gonchar went down.

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I don't see why the Jackets would consider this. Staal, Whitney, and Letang are nice pieces, but Nash is a player you can build around.

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In all fairness, Rick Nash is one of the better power forwards in the nhl, and he's shown flash on the international floor. Of all the players in the trade, he is the best.


I think Staal, Letang, and a first for Nash is pretty legit.
Yes, he's the best player in the trade, but that's because two of the players are 20 and 21. Nash is better than Whitney but not enough so for us to also include Staal and Letang.

A much more realistic proposal would be Staal and Whitney for Nash and a 2nd round pick.

I can understand if you'd rather just keep Nash as Columbus really doesn't have a strong incentive to get rid of him, but consider Pittsburgh's perspective as well.

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I was talking individual players, and it wasn't hard to predict a crappy PP when Whitney and Gonchar went down.
OK, individual players.

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OK, individual players.

Satan?
If you actually watched him on the Island, you would never have gotten your hopes up. He's nothing more then a 20 goal, extremely soft, one-dimensional player. Some people still thought he was as good as he was in Buffalo, which seems like forever ago for him.

When both Gonchar and Whitney went down, I expected Letang would really step it up and he hasn't. Not to say he has regressed, but I don't really see very much improvement since last year. Like I said, I just may have had too high expectations for him.

Either way, we should try to stop directing this thread off course.

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I don't see why the Jackets would consider this. Staal, Whitney, and Letang are nice pieces, but Nash is a player you can build around.
I'm not trying to knock the Jackets but they've tried building around him and nothing has really come of it.

Now with the emergence of Mason as a legit stud between the pipes, and a cast of probable high-end forwards including Brassard, Voracek, Filatov, it seems that a deal like this might deliver the missing pieces.

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Yes, he's the best player in the trade, but that's because two of the players are 20 and 21. Nash is better than Whitney but not enough so for us to also include Staal and Letang.

A much more realistic proposal would be Staal and Whitney for Nash and a 2nd round pick.

I can understand if you'd rather just keep Nash as Columbus really doesn't have a strong incentive to get rid of him, but consider Pittsburgh's perspective as well.
that's why my counter proposal didn't involve the gutting of pittsburgh's defense...

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OK, individual players.

Satan?
Michel Oullet did more individual work to earn his goals playing with the Pens than Satan has. It's really been pathetic.

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that's why my counter proposal didn't involve the gutting of pittsburgh's defense...
Letang isn't going anywhere and I can't imagine that Shero is eager to part with the 1st, so your counter proposal isn't going to work from our perspective.

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Pittsburgh guts its defensive corps and trades one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL who's 20 years old and has a ton of upside for...Rick Nash? Uh...no.
Pretty much agree with this.

This isn't the kind of trade a team that just went to the SCF and wants to make it back there this year makes. They are losing 2 out of their top 4 defenseman and their best penalty killer for just 1 player. Unless Filatov and Klesla or someone else is coming back with Nash, no way Shero pulls a stupid trade like that.

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Somewhat in the Dispatch's defense, I believe that deal was a "what if" proposed if Scott Howson was not able to resign Nash in the offseason.

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