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03-08-2004, 04:30 PM
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who finished in the bottom five of the standings of the last few years and what the order of the draft picks ended up being? It's going to be difficult, however, for the Rangers to get into the top five. What's on their side, however, is the fact that Carolina as two games in hand and Carolina one. That's huge. Couple that with the fact that the Rangers may play 3-4 NHLers the rest of the way with a clueless coach, and they certainly have a chance.

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who finished in the bottom five of the standings of the last few years and what the order of the draft picks ended up being? It's going to be difficult, however, for the Rangers to get into the top five. What's on their side, however, is the fact that Carolina as two games in hand and Carolina one. That's huge. Couple that with the fact that the Rangers may play 3-4 NHLers the rest of the way with a clueless coach, and they certainly have a chance.
We have 13 games left, the most we win is what...5 of those? We have a good shot at the top 5.

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We have to lose ALL remaining games to have a shot at top 5
Probably.

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who finished in the bottom five of the standings of the last few years and what the order of the draft picks ended up being? It's going to be difficult, however, for the Rangers to get into the top five. What's on their side, however, is the fact that Carolina as two games in hand and Carolina one. That's huge. Couple that with the fact that the Rangers may play 3-4 NHLers the rest of the way with a clueless coach, and they certainly have a chance.
Because I REALLY don't feel like doing anything of value this afternoon:

Code:
Standings (PTs-Ws)	Draft Order
2003:
CAR (61)		PIT
PIT (65)		CAR
CLB (69)		FLA
FLA (70)		CLB
BUF (72)		BUF

2002:
ATL (54)		CLB
CLB (57)		ATL
FLA (60)		FLA
TB  (69-27)		PHI via TB
PIT (69-28)		PIT

2001:
NYI (52)		ATL
TB  (59)		OTT via NYI
ATL (60)		TB
FLA (66-22)		FLA
ANA (66-25)		ANA

2000:
ATL (39)		NYI
TB  (54)		ATL
NYI (58)		MIN (expansion team)
NSH (70)		CLB (expansion team)
BOS (73)		NYI
I am reasonably sure that the lottery worked like this:
In 2003, Florida (#4) wins the lottery and moves up to #1, then deals the pick to Pittsburgh and takes the #3 spot.
In 2002, I believe Columbus (#2) won the lottery.
In 2001, Atlanta (#3) won the lottery.
In 2000, I don't remember what happened. I believe the Isles (#3) won the lottery and later dealt for TB's #5 pick, but I'm not sure.

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03-08-2004, 05:11 PM
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Columbus...

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Because I REALLY don't feel like doing anything of value this afternoon:

Code:
Standings (PTs-Ws)	Draft Order
2003:
CAR (61)		PIT
PIT (65)		CAR
CLB (69)		FLA
FLA (70)		CLB
BUF (72)		BUF

2002:
ATL (54)		CLB
CLB (57)		ATL
FLA (60)		FLA
TB  (69-27)		PHI via TB
PIT (69-28)		PIT

2001:
NYI (52)		ATL
TB  (59)		OTT via NYI
ATL (60)		TB
FLA (66-22)		FLA
ANA (66-25)		ANA

2000:
ATL (39)		NYI
TB  (54)		ATL
NYI (58)		MIN (expansion team)
NSH (70)		CLB (expansion team)
BOS (73)		NYI
I am reasonably sure that the lottery worked like this:
In 2003, Florida (#4) wins the lottery and moves up to #1, then deals the pick to Pittsburgh and takes the #3 spot.
In 2002, I believe Columbus (#2) won the lottery.
In 2001, Atlanta (#3) won the lottery.
In 2000, I don't remember what happened. I believe the Isles (#3) won the lottery and later dealt for TB's #5 pick, but I'm not sure.
traded up to get Nash.

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03-08-2004, 05:17 PM
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Wow, thanks for all of that.

They would probably have to be at least #4 to have any kind of realistic shot at #1, right? Obviously if they got into the top three it would be a lot better, but I just don't see that happening.

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Thanks Kodiak...

without going into the actual odds of getting a 1, 2 or 3 spot given certain finishes, I wanted to see what's happened in the last few seasons.

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traded up to get Nash.
Thanks, I remember now. Florida won the lottery from the #3 spot, and then traded the #1 pick over to Columbus because they knew they were going to land Bouwmeester with the #3.

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without going into the actual odds of getting a 1, 2 or 3 spot given certain finishes, I wanted to see what's happened in the last few seasons.
What's interesting is that the last place team hasn't drafted first overall since Tampa took Lecavalier in 1998. In 1999 through 2003, the last place team has either lost the draft lottery or traded away the pick.

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Finishing in the bottom five assures us one of Malkin, Schremp, Olesz, or Barker. Not bad but not great.

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Will the Rangers ever make us happy?

They lose when we want them to win and win when we want them to lose...

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