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01-05-2009, 02:42 PM
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Natey, I also respect you as a poster but I think that you may read too much into Streit, you may like him a bit too much to have an unbiased opinion on him.

Yes it was useful to have him out there in the case of an injury to one of our defensemen, but don't you think that if he was good enough, that he wouldn't be playing defense? We didn't play Markov, a former centerman, up front. We didn't play Josh Gorges up front...

He simply didn't cut it with us on defense. He's not even top pair in New York, a team with a lot less depth at the back end than we do.
No offense, but it is more and more evident that your take on Streit is based entirely on what he did with Montreal. I doubt you've seen him play at all since he signed in NY, and I'm virtually certain that you have not followed his sitaution there at all.

Streit leads all Islanders in TOI - we're not just talking PP either. He leads at even strength as well. He is the Isles #1 dman at the current moment. The only time category he does not lead the entire team in is PK time, and that is simply because he is used so much on the PP.

So, I'm not sure where the "not on the top pair" comes from. I don't think he'd be on the top pairing on a good team, but on the Island, he is used in virtually every critical situation.

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No offense, but it is more and more evident that your take on Streit is based entirely on what he did with Montreal. I doubt you've seen him play at all since he signed in NY, and I'm virtually certain that you have not followed his sitaution there at all.

Streit leads all Islanders in TOI - we're not just talking PP either. He leads at even strength as well. He is the Isles #1 dman at the current moment. The only time category he does not lead the entire team in is PK time, and that is simply because he is used so much on the PP.

So, I'm not sure where the "not on the top pair" comes from. I don't think he'd be on the top pairing on a good team, but on the Island, he is used in virtually every critical situation.
Funny how I'm being accused of bias when I took that from Islanders' fans in the Streit thread in the general section.

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Streit Street, or Rue Streit: If Mark Streit was the leading scorer among NHL defensemen and was still with the Canadiens, the city of Montreal would have re-named the street outside the arena after him.



Instead, Streit is the league’s highest-scoring defenseman as a member of the 30th place New York Islanders, and there’s actually a hint of uncertainty if he’ll be selected for the NHL All Star Game later this month…in Montreal.



Streit has been outstanding. He’s been so good, there’s no way the Islanders will move him before the trade deadline. At $4.1 million per for four years, he’s been one of the best signings of last summer’s unrestricted free agent class. There isn’t a team in the league that wouldn’t want him.



But such is the underrated life when you’re on a last place team. Only two issues stand in the way of the 30-year old Streit taking his rightful place at the All-Star Game: the league giving the nod to 1,000 point man Doug Weight for lifetime service (and darn good play this season), and some behind-the-scenes politicking by some touchy members of the Canadiens front office to keep him out of the game.

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01-05-2009, 07:45 PM
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and some behind-the-scenes politicking by some touchy members of the Canadiens front office to keep him out of the game.
Wow.

Just... wow.

It's the NHL and the New York Islanders who decide who plays in the ASG aside from the starting lineup as representative of the New York Islanders.

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Streit for Norris??

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...,5224635.story

"The 62 points Mark Streit scored last season as a hybrid power-play specialist, seventh defenseman and sometimes winger was considered a byproduct of Montreal's high-powered offense, which is why the Canadiens didn't bat an eye when they let him leave as a free agent. But now that Streit is the leading scorer among NHL defensemen with 32 points as a member of the low-powered Islanders, his skill is becoming impossible to ignore.

The Eastern Conference All-Star reserves will be announced tomorrow before the Islanders face Calgary at the Pengrowth Saddledome. If Streit doesn't make it as the Islanders' representative, it will be a shocker. Coach Scott Gordon recently went a step further, saying Streit merits Norris Trophy consideration as one of the league's best defensemen."

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I am actually shocked Streit has performed this well on a team as poor as the Isles. His stats are crazy.

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http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...,5224635.story

"The 62 points Mark Streit scored last season as a hybrid power-play specialist, seventh defenseman and sometimes winger was considered a byproduct of Montreal's high-powered offense, which is why the Canadiens didn't bat an eye when they let him leave as a free agent. But now that Streit is the leading scorer among NHL defensemen with 32 points as a member of the low-powered Islanders, his skill is becoming impossible to ignore.

The Eastern Conference All-Star reserves will be announced tomorrow before the Islanders face Calgary at the Pengrowth Saddledome. If Streit doesn't make it as the Islanders' representative, it will be a shocker. Coach Scott Gordon recently went a step further, saying Streit merits Norris Trophy consideration as one of the league's best defensemen."
Sheldon Souray has about 30 seconds less TOI, 4 less points, in 4 less games.

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http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...,5224635.story

"The 62 points Mark Streit scored last season as a hybrid power-play specialist, seventh defenseman and sometimes winger was considered a byproduct of Montreal's high-powered offense, which is why the Canadiens didn't bat an eye when they let him leave as a free agent. But now that Streit is the leading scorer among NHL defensemen with 32 points as a member of the low-powered Islanders, his skill is becoming impossible to ignore.

The Eastern Conference All-Star reserves will be announced tomorrow before the Islanders face Calgary at the Pengrowth Saddledome. If Streit doesn't make it as the Islanders' representative, it will be a shocker. Coach Scott Gordon recently went a step further, saying Streit merits Norris Trophy consideration as one of the league's best defensemen."
Norris? He is having a good season, and is the only bright light on a pretty weak team, but Norris?

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01-07-2009, 11:23 PM
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Funny how I'm being accused of bias when I took that from Islanders' fans in the Streit thread in the general section.

I didn't accuse you of "bias." I said that you hadn't followed Streit at all this year, and that you were basing your entire opinion of him on his years in Montreal. Although, I don't think you are being at all objective, and believe your opinion is basically shaped by bitterness of the a former Hab going on to do good things with another team.

The fact that you base your entire read on Streit's role on another Islander fan's post on the main board is exactly what I mean. You have no idea what Streit is doing on the Island, your only insight is based on posts at hfboards rather than actually watching the guy play even a casual review of the stats.

Above you see an article in Newsday with comments from Scott Gordon. He says that he throws Streit out in every critical moment, uses him against the other team's best line, and think he deserves Norris consideration.

And, then there are the sheer facts. Streit leads the Isles in almost every statistical category: TOI total, even strength, PP time. Now, tell me, how is that Streit leads all Islander dman in time on the ice yet, according to you, is not even on our top pairing. For any rational fan, the dman who plays the most on your team and is in the most critical sitautions is generally viewed as your number 1.

I really don't see how you can begin to argue that Streit isn't on the top pairing in NY. That is pure finction, and tells me that you simply don't know what you are talking about (at least with regard to Streit on the Island).

I'm not denying that he wasn't great as a Hab, and still strongly believe the Habs made the right move letting him go. But, give the man his due. He has been stellar this year

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Norris? He is having a good season, and is the only bright light on a pretty weak team, but Norris?

Gordon didn't say Streit deserves the Norris. He said Norris CONSIDERATION - as in a few votes.


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Although, I don't think you are being at all objective, and believe your opinion is basically shaped by bitterness of the a former Hab going on to do good things with another team.
Again, wrong. I'm pleased that he's doing well, just like I'm pleased that Ryder is doing well in Boston.

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The fact that you base your entire read on Streit's role on another Islander fan's post on the main board is exactly what I mean. You have no idea what Streit is doing on the Island, your only insight is based on posts at hfboards rather than actually watching the guy play even a casual review of the stats.
I see... so I should take your point of view instead of theirs, right? Gotcha!

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Again, wrong. I'm pleased that he's doing well, just like I'm pleased that Ryder is doing well in Boston.
I don't belive that it is true. I've see your arguments on this board and the main board. You're clearly quite bitter about Streit leaving. As an example, your argument on the main board that Streit's performance should be discounted because he, like every Islander, does not have a good plus/minus. You're obviously grasping at straws in an attempt to discredit this player.

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I see... so I should take your point of view instead of theirs, right? Gotcha!

Once again, you are proving my point.

You shouldn't need to "take your point of view" from ANY poster on a chat board. Instead, if you are going to make strong claims about a player you should actually WATCH the player involved (novel concept, I know) or simply bother to consider numbers and facts.

Now, go back to my earlier point, how is that Streit leads the entire Islander team in TOI minutes per game, and also leads the entire team in even strength mintues, and by his own coaches report is THE go-to guy in critical situations, YET still isn't on the top pairing. Could you explain to me how a dman could possibly play more than dman on the team and yet still be on the 2nd or third pairing? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Exactly where is the logic in that?

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I don't belive that it is true. I've see your arguments on this board and the main board. You're clearly quite bitter about Streit leaving. As an example, your argument on the main board that Streit's performance should be discounted because he, like every Islander, does not have a good plus/minus. You're obviously grasping at straws in an attempt to discredit this player.
I think that you're mistaking the point that I think that Streit is overrated and the other point that he couldn't crack the line-up on defense on our team in wrongfully thinking that I dislike the guy. If that's what you think and you feel that you know what I think better than I do, fill your boots. I know what I think though.




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Once again, you are proving my point.

You shouldn't need to "take your point of view" from ANY poster on a chat board. Instead, if you are going to make strong claims about a player you should actually WATCH the player involved (novel concept, I know) or simply bother to consider numbers and facts.

Now, go back to my earlier point, how is that Streit leads the entire Islander team in TOI minutes per game, and also leads the entire team in even strength mintues, and by his own coaches report is THE go-to guy in critical situations, YET still isn't on the top pairing. Could you explain to me how a dman could possibly play more than dman on the team and yet still be on the 2nd or third pairing? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Exactly where is the logic in that?
Is that so? I don't get to watch the Islanders as much as their fans do, just like I bet you anything that I know the Habs and their players better than you do. I used a reference from some Islanders' fans who were saying that Martinek (when healthy) and Witt (or Sutton, whoever he's paired with) is the Islanders' top pairing.

So you can argue with me until you turn blue to the face, in reality, you're arguing with them, not me.

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I used a reference from some Islanders' fans who were saying that Martinek (when healthy) and Witt (or Sutton, whoever he's paired with) is the Islanders' top pairing.

So you can argue with me until you turn blue to the face, in reality, you're arguing with them, not me.
If you're simply going by the word of some Islander fans... wow.

Darth Milbury doesn't have to argue with them and really shouldn't even be bothering with you. It's not just because I respect the guy as a poster and has spent a considerable amount of time on these boards making sense, but there are very, very few people with common sense who would argue, with the minutes in front of them and seeing any posted lines, that Streit was not Top d-man on the Islanders on the top pairing.

When even your research is weak, just call it a day and concede.

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Is that so? I don't get to watch the Islanders as much as their fans do, just like I bet you anything that I know the Habs and their players better than you do. I used a reference from some Islanders' fans who were saying that Martinek (when healthy) and Witt (or Sutton, whoever he's paired with) is the Islanders' top pairing.

So you can argue with me until you turn blue to the face, in reality, you're arguing with them, not me.
Prior to this season, Martinek (when healthy) and Witt has been the Isles top D pairing. And even early into this season the Isles weren't REALLY sure what they had in Streit. But Martinek's latest injury coupled with Witt, for whatever reason, struggling this year, Streit has slided into agrueably the Isles MVP. I know the knock against Streit coming into this season was that he was weak defensively, but his -5 while leading the Isles in TOI is impressive, especially on an Isles team that, to date, has given up 42 more goals then they scored. While Witt, who no one would confuse as an offensive defenseman, is a -22!!

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Streit is legit, I repeat, Streit is legit. If you don't want to admit that, shame on you. I personally would pick Boyle over him, all things being equal, but Streit is a true blue top NHL defenseman. The Habitante Lovers/Streit Haters need to let this one go...

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Streit is legit, I repeat, Streit is legit. If you don't want to admit that, shame on you. I personally would pick Boyle over him, all things being equal, but Streit is a true blue top NHL defenseman. The Habitante Lovers/Streit Haters need to let this one go...

This thread would have died days ago if it wasnt for Isles fans posting in it...

I know, you do need that ONE bright spot, but get over it, the whole league doesnt HAVE TO like the Isles or Isles players...

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I have the feeling that the turning point for the Habs evaluation of Streit and whether he would be signed by them or not was in the series last season when even with Streit our PP became completly impotent.

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I would take Streit over Brisebois any day... it was an error by Gainey to not sign him.

Even if Streit was not that good defensively but he is still better than Brisebois (defensively and offensively).

Habs should have signed him and put him on Defense...

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