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01-08-2009, 10:54 AM
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Honestly, if I was Mike Komisarek, I would say no to the AS game. 20pts in 90+ games the past 2 seasons, I'd feel like an ***hole for even showing up to the game, let alone start in it.

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01-08-2009, 10:56 AM
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Staal was a crappy choice.

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01-08-2009, 11:01 AM
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I'm not entirely convinced that Timonen was really considered that much, all things considered.

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Congrats Wides!!!!!

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The reserves are't too bad actually. However, these changes need to be made to the East.

Kovalev off AS team
Richards on as reserve
Ovechkin to start

Komisarek off AS team
Timonen on as reserve
Chara to start
Spoken like a true fan!

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01-08-2009, 11:09 AM
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Good for Carter. He's earned a spot this year.

Hopefully they don't put him in the shot accuracy competition.

It's a damn shame that Timonen is watching while Komisarek plays, but I'm not sorry to see most of the Flyers take the break.
lol "and Jeff Carter of the Flyers who is tied for the league lead in goals goes 0-6. You know Jim, those shots are hard and deadly but you have to wonder what's in this young players mind when all 6 of his shots had the puck rebound off the back boards and settle back towards the blue line".

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01-08-2009, 11:09 AM
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I'm not entirely convinced that Timonen was really considered that much, all things considered.
Bouwmeester beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Kaberle beat him out, with the same amount of points in 1 more game, but Kaberle has a +/- of -6 to Kimmo's +6.
Chara beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Komisarek has 3 pts.

Markov and Streit are the only d-men who made the team with better stats then Timonen. Point wise of course.

Timonen beat everyone but Markov and Chara in +/- also.

And we all know, defensively, Timonen is easily better then half of these guys.

Unfortuneatly, it seems actual performance and strong stats have less to do with selection to the AS game then idiot fans and whether or not the rest of your team blows.

Points wise, here is the East top 6.

Streit
Markov
Green
Wideman
Timonen
Kaberle

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01-08-2009, 11:10 AM
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Gagne and Richards I can borderline understand, but how the heck does Kimmo not make it? I guess Wideman also has a huge case.

The whole one guy from each team thing really hurts the game.

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01-08-2009, 11:13 AM
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Spoken like a true fan!
Anything that takes Canadiens off the AS team and adds Flyers is a huge win.

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01-08-2009, 11:14 AM
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Bouwmeester beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Kaberle beat him out, with the same amount of points in 1 more game, but Kaberle has a +/- of -6 to Kimmo's +6.
Chara beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Komisarek has 3 pts.

Markov and Streit are the only d-men who made the team with better stats then Timonen. Point wise of course.

Timonen beat everyone but Markov and Chara in +/- also.

And we all know, defensively, Timonen is easily better then half of these guys.

Unfortuneatly, it seems actual performance and strong stats have less to do with selection to the AS game then idiot fans and whether or not the rest of your team blows.

Points wise, here is the East top 6.

Streit
Markov
Green
Wideman
Timonen
Kaberle
He probably does deserve it you are right. But honestly he is probably happy. He now gets to rest his busted up ankle bone.

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Gagne and Richards I can borderline understand, but how the heck does Kimmo not make it? I guess Wideman also has a huge case.

The whole one guy from each team thing really hurts the game.
Other than Komisarek, there's still a whole lot of skill in the game.

I disagree with the 'one rep from each team' policy, but it's pointless to get upset about it. We all knew that's the way it was going to be this year.

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01-08-2009, 11:15 AM
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Maybe Ovechkin will hit Carter thist time now that they are on the same team


Seriously, the voting process is a joke and if they really want to include a player from each team in the conference they should roll five lines and three defensepairs. Kimmo and Cannon should certainly be in there. Elias also earned it this season. A case for Mike Green could also be made. Fifth man I'd add to that is Phil Kessel.

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Bouwmeester beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Kaberle beat him out, with the same amount of points in 1 more game, but Kaberle has a +/- of -6 to Kimmo's +6.
Chara beat him out, with less points in 1 more game.
Komisarek has 3 pts.

Markov and Streit are the only d-men who made the team with better stats then Timonen. Point wise of course.

Timonen beat everyone but Markov and Chara in +/- also.

And we all know, defensively, Timonen is easily better then half of these guys.

Unfortuneatly, it seems actual performance and strong stats have less to do with selection to the AS game then idiot fans and whether or not the rest of your team blows.

Points wise, here is the East top 6.

Streit
Markov
Green
Wideman
Timonen
Kaberle
It's incredibly difficult to pick it with the one guy from each team, which I don't have a problem with because it's easy for fans of good teams like us get more than one, but for the actual diehard fans of teams who aren't very good, I'm sure fans of those teams would like to see their guy get on the national stage and be recognized by the league.

If you're taking the best 6-7 defensemen from the conference, Timonen would be there, as he is very deserving, but when I came up with my list (of who I thought would be picked, not who I would have selected), Kimmo Timonen was actually not even under consideration for me. And I actually had Filip Kuba in the game over Heatley or Alfredsson.

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Anything that takes Canadiens off the AS team and adds Flyers is a huge win.
I understand and agree, but with the game being in Montreal...you had to know this was going to happen.

I'd rather have the break, than see more Flyers there.

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I understand and agree, but with the game being in Montreal...you had to know this was going to happen.

I'd rather have the break, than see more Flyers there.
I know, it's just stupid. The AS game is a way to recognize true Superstar talent in the league, and give a chance for these guys to be showcased nationally. It's supposed to give a chance for the fans all across the globe to see stars from other teams they might never see normally. BUT when you have Mike ******* Komisarek start in it like he is one of the top 2 d-men in the East, then a game meant for showcasing Superstar talent turns into a waste of TV time.

Even if Timonen didn't get in, I can name at least 10 defensemen who deserve it more then Komisarek does.

It's just sad to see the NHL f up their own superstar showcase.

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01-08-2009, 11:27 AM
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I wonder what number Carter will wear. 17 is taken by Kovalchuk and Malkin wears 71. Was Carter 17 all through juniors too?

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I don't really care if Montreal is "over" representated. Let them win their all star ballotting. I'd much rather win in the playoffs.

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I'd be content if we had zero all-stars. Rest is best.

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I wonder what number Carter will wear. 17 is taken by Kovalchuk and Malkin wears 71. Was Carter 17 all through juniors too?
Probably 7 or 11 or something.

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I know, it's just stupid. The AS game is a way to recognize true Superstar talent in the league, and give a chance for these guys to be showcased nationally. It's supposed to give a chance for the fans all across the globe to see stars from other teams they might never see normally. BUT when you have Mike ******* Komisarek start in it like he is one of the top 2 d-men in the East, then a game meant for showcasing Superstar talent turns into a waste of TV time.

Even if Timonen didn't get in, I can name at least 10 defensemen who deserve it more then Komisarek does.

It's just sad to see the NHL f up their own superstar showcase.
I understand, it's the voting system. I think the NHL needs to look at it going forward.

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I wonder what number Carter will wear. 17 is taken by Kovalchuk and Malkin wears 71. Was Carter 17 all through juniors too?
Nope - he wore 7 all through juniors.

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Nope - he wore 7 all through juniors.
He should wear 7 then.

It's not like you will ever see him wear 7 when he has a Flyers logo on the front.

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Congrats Carter.

and like said above, its hard to get everyone in with 1 person required from each team.

But Kovalev and Komisarek are laughable all stars.

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Congrats Carter.

and like said above, its hard to get everyone in with 1 person required from each team.

But Kovalev and Komisarek are laughable all stars.
They are laughable reserves.

They are a disgrace when announced as starters.

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Haha...wow, some of you people going nuts over this sound like morons. If you have a problem with the "one player from each team" system...then fine, you may as well just state that and move along. But to sit there going nuts about it and breaking down all the statistics on why our guys should be in there over others is quite laughable.

Given the system currently in place, I think the league did quite a good job. Looking at the East lineup, I think the only thing I'd maybe change is sending Cam Ward rather than Eric Staal for CAR, and Zherdev rather than Lundqvist for NYR. Other than that, I have no complaints, again...given the system.

Hell, how can anyone whine about how Richie should be taking someone's spot, when Patrik Elias...tied for 5th in the league in points, did not make it? Along with Nicklas Backstrom, Daniel Sedin, and Patrick Marleau, who all have the same or more points as Richie. (Speaking of D. Sedin, I really think they should've gone ahead and sent him rather than Luongo...not sure what they were thinking there considering the injury and all.)

I would've loved to have seen Kimmo, Richie, and Gags all playing in this game...but with 15 roster spots for 13 teams it just wasn't in the cards...at all. We were largely screwed out of getting at least one more guy in there by the stupid voting system for the starters. That system probably won't change....but I really wish it would. 1 email address, 1 ballot.

As for the "one player from each team" thing, I used to think I didn't like it, but I've definitely come around on it. We all know the ASG is a pretty silly game in the first place, so why do we need to take it soooo seriously, and do everything we can to make absolutely 110% sure that the absolute best of the best are playing in the game? If there's one thing All-Star weekend is about...it's the fans. So why should the NHL exclude entire fanbases from it? From my perspective...I don't think that would be right. And from the NHL's perspective, I can certainly see why they wouldn't want to do that.

And before anyone says something like, "well, you're right, the ASG is about the fans, and we're fans and we hate the one player from each team thing."

Well, that may be...but I'm sure the NHL would rather deal with upsetting some fans throughout all the fanbases, then exclude entire fanbases altogether. You're never going to make everyone happy.

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