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2009 UFA: ridiculous amount of forwards available, almost no d-men

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01-05-2009, 12:08 PM
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Makes me glad that the Flyers don't really need Defense. and if they did it would have to be by trade.

Jbo is going to get like 8 million by rarity alone
Makes me glad the leafs have 2 top offensive dmen to dangle at the deadline and if they don't waive the infamous NTC's at the draft are gone and they are open to all bidders. Could be very fun to watch. Actually us leafs fans pray it's fun to watch.

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Sedins will hit the open market, not get signed for a couple days. MG will try to pull a Sather and land both Slovaks and announce them on the same day. If it doesn't work out, the Sedins will come back.

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01-05-2009, 01:07 PM
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he doesn't fit Burke's team for the future however.
lol, uhh how do you figure that?..

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If the Stars re-sign Zubov it better not be over 5 million!!!!

He deserves a pay cut with all those uncertainties regarding his hip.

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lol, uhh how do you figure that?..
some people are speculating Burke is looking for younger players (25 and under i assume) to build around, this by that logic Cammalleri could be too old for what Burke is trying to do

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Zetterberg to start.
Would Hossa be counted as well?

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I predict that Schneider and Niedermayer will retire after this season.

But yea there is some quality forwards out there and it will be very interesting off-season.
Schneider was on NHL Live in October and said he'd like to play a couple more years.

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Brian Lawton is licking his chops....because we all know...Tampa needs more forwards!
Not only that, but after he signs these forwards, he can trade them for more forwards from other teams.

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People wonder why Brian Campbell got paid...it is just so hard to find defensemen who are so good. They're so valuable. It's why people complain everyone overspends on them.

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Sedins will hit the open market, not get signed for a couple days. MG will try to pull a Sather and land both Slovaks and announce them on the same day. If it doesn't work out, the Sedins will come back.
That's a REALLY dangerous plan for MG. What happens if someone steps up to the play on 7/1 and the Sedin's sign elsewhere, which isn't impossible considering that the Canucks would be telling them that they were their 2nd choice. I think that NHL players (like all of us) have significant ego's and that's a slap in the fact IMO.

MG could go "0 for" and be sitting there with nothing but a ton of cap space. That's the kiss of death because historically, you can't build around UFA's. Successful teams bring them in as the last piece - not trying to build around them.

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Bouw will have his choice of team and dollar figure.

Off the top of my head: FLA, Anaheim, Toronto, Vancouver, Philly, Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Dallas, Columbus, and NJ will have the cap space and need. While almost every team that doesnt have the cap space, would find it if they had too.

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Bouw will have his choice of team and dollar figure.

Off the top of my head: FLA, Anaheim, Toronto, Vancouver, Philly, Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Dallas, Columbus, and NJ will have the cap space and need. While almost every team that doesnt have the cap space, would find it if they had too.
i would loveeee to have J-Bo(imagine 2 #1type Dmen playing 25+mins per game ala Pronger/nieds aceept alot younger)
But with Krejci and Kessel needing new contracts after the season,Lucic_Wheeler and savard the next summer and Ryder costing over 4$ per the next few years there really isnt any noteworthy expiring contract coming off besides Axellsons 1.7$ this summer and Wards 2.5$ the following.

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he doesn't fit Burke's team for the future however.
Burke prefers skilled players in his top 6.

Cammalleri fits that bill. He's not the elite out there, but he's a legit top 6 winger, who IMO would become the highest point getter on our team.

Toronto's best forward is a guy by the name of Nik Antropov, who IMO, is a second liner at best, and a pretty good second liner. I have no issues with keeping Antro. Cammalleri will be our first line winger.

I repeat, Burke likes his top 6 guys to be skilled and bottom six to be defensive and tough, who'll do the dirty work. I think Cammy fits the top 6. He'll command less than Hossa, Zetterberg, Gaborik and Havlat. Good option, IMO. Still young so will help in our rebuild as well.

Also, I'll be tempted to take a chance on Havlat. Yes ! I know he's made of glass but he's been pretty healthy this year, and playing well for Chicago. Truth is, when he plays, he produces, and he has the ability to take over games just on his speed and skill. Good two-way player as well.

My two players, one might be risky, but they'll come cheaper than the others, but might pay off.

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I like our cap room, but do UFAs want to play for LA?

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Erm...I thought the sens had no money to spend, with Alffy, Heatly, and Spezza being tied up, along with Phillips and Volchenkov?
Should have around 6.5-7 million to play with - that's after the 2 million cap cushion we need.

Still...the obvious guys on this list are going to be re-signed or we can't afford, and the rest are interesting. A lot of quantity, but real quality? Not so sure. Sens need D and G in a bad way anyway.

EDIT: And after reading brownking's post above, I'm actually not sure how many UFAs are gonna be running to sign a contract in Ottawa - for the next couple of years at least.

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I found this a bit strange. For the 2009 UFA off-season, look how the forwards stack up to the defensemen.

Forwards: Gaborik, Hossa, Havlat, Sakic, Tanguay, Koivu, Guerin, Kovalev, Tkachuk, Lehtinen, Cole, Comrie, Fedorov, Gionta, Lang, Cammalleri, Sedin's, Afinogenov, Satan, McDonald, Madden, Zetterberg, Knuble, Morrison, Kotalik, Kozlov, Sykora, Sillinger, Fedotenko, Williams, Antropov, Weight, Reinprecht, Axelsson, Grier, Franzen, Pahlsson, and quite a few more.

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Defensemen: Niedermayer, Schneider, Zubov, Blake, Bouwmeester, Aucoin, Morris, Ohlund, Spacek, Kuba, Havelid, Mara, Komisarek, and then some players no one really wants. The distinction is heightened by the fact that several players at the top of this class could retire.

Obviously not all of these players will be UFA come July 1st, 2009, however there is a tremendous contrast between the forwards and defensemen available. Teams that are stocked on defense will make out very well in unrestricted free agency (assuming they pursue forwards), and on the trade market (assuming they dangle a defenseman).
not that strange - there are twice as many forwards as D men on a roster

simple math actually

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I found this a bit strange. For the 2009 UFA off-season, look how the forwards stack up to the defensemen.

Forwards: Gaborik, Hossa, Havlat, Sakic, Tanguay, Koivu, Guerin, Kovalev, Tkachuk, Lehtinen, Cole, Comrie, Fedorov, Gionta, Lang, Cammalleri, Sedin's, Afinogenov, Satan, McDonald, Madden, Zetterberg, Knuble, Morrison, Kotalik, Kozlov, Sykora, Sillinger, Fedotenko, Williams, Antropov, Weight, Reinprecht, Axelsson, Grier, Franzen, Pahlsson, and quite a few more.

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Defensemen: Niedermayer, Schneider, Zubov, Blake, Bouwmeester, Aucoin, Morris, Ohlund, Spacek, Kuba, Havelid, Mara, Komisarek, and then some players no one really wants. The distinction is heightened by the fact that several players at the top of this class could retire.

Obviously not all of these players will be UFA come July 1st, 2009, however there is a tremendous contrast between the forwards and defensemen available. Teams that are stocked on defense will make out very well in unrestricted free agency (assuming they pursue forwards), and on the trade market (assuming they dangle a defenseman).
Edmonton needs to worrry about Denis Grebeshkov(1.5mill going RFA) Ladislav Smid (952k going RFA) and Jason Strudwick(650k going UFA) on the blueline. I think they've gotta trade Grebs before the end of the year, because I doubt they'll want to stack another 3-4 million onto what's spent on our defensemen.

Smid won't get much of a raise. So I say it would be smart to sign him to a 3 year deal for 1.1-1.4 mill a season. Let Packham come up and work with em.

As for forwards, Edmonton will likely resign Brodziak (500k going rfa) for less than 1 mill a season for a few seasons. Cole(4mill going UFA) will walk and so will the 4.3 mill cap hit of Garon and Roloson. Edmonton will likely resign one of them to a much cheaper deal. Edmonton's looking at having at least 9mill in cap space before finding someone to take Cole's spot on the 2nd line.

Would like to see Edmonton chase after McDonald, Franzen and Grier.

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Kings will be looking for a goal scorer and have more cap room than any other team. Kopitar's new contract will kick in, but we will also lose Gauthier, O'Donnell, Calder, and Armstrong....that almost offsets Kopitars jump from under 1 million to 7 million.

I think the Kings will target Hossa, Havlat, and Gaborik.

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not that strange - there are twice as many forwards as D men on a roster

simple math actually
wow. incredible observation. seriously. that explains a lot.

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Kings will be looking for a goal scorer and have more cap room than any other team. Kopitar's new contract will kick in, but we will also lose Gauthier, O'Donnell, Calder, and Armstrong....that almost offsets Kopitars jump from under 1 million to 7 million.

I think the Kings will target Hossa, Havlat, and Gaborik.
I think the Kings should target:

Franzen, some veteran presence, size and scoring. Would play well with Stoll and Brown/Moller.

Antropov, top six forward, could play on the 2nd line, size/scoring.

Hossa would be nice, but I think will be wanting too much money and a long term contract. Great defensively, would play well in TM's system and obviously provide scoring. Osullivan, Kopitar, Hossa?

Gaborik, depending on his recovery from injury, maybe a reasonable two-year contract to prove he can withstand a season without being injured.

Havlat, not bad, he been pretty healthy this season, only 27 so could still grow with the team and productive. Provides speed and skill.

Afinogenov, take a chance on him with a cheap one-year contract and see if the change on scenery will help. ala Samsonov, hopefully better.

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Great teams have been built outwards from the goaltending and defense. Once you get past the truly great forwards - Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Gretzky, Lemieux, Sakic, Yzerman, etc forwards tend to be interchangeable parts.

On the list, outside of an aging Sakic none of the forwards have a history of making a difference to their team.
They may be pleasing to watch but ..................
Zetterberg won the conn smythe. How is winning the most prestige individual trophy a player can win, not making a difference?

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If the Stars re-sign Zubov it better not be over 5 million!!!!

He deserves a pay cut with all those uncertainties regarding his hip.
call it a crazy hunch but i dont think Dallas is going to resign Zubov.

I think they'll feel that they want to usher in a new age...

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I hope the Isles can get him after we draft Hedman or Tavares. If the Isles get either Komi/JayBO and Hedman/Tavares, things will be a lot better on the Isle of Islanders.
Komisarek leaving Montreal is as unlikely as Zetterberg leaving Detroit. The only reason he hasn't signed an extension yet imho is because Habs have been decimated by injuries since the start of the season and we've yet to see a complete Habs roster firing on all cylinders. And because Gainey is a mute ninja. Very fews fanbases know less about what's going on in the front office than in Montreal, and that's quite a thing considering it is Montreal.

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some people are speculating Burke is looking for younger players (25 and under i assume) to build around, this by that logic Cammalleri could be too old for what Burke is trying to do
yeah, makes sense under that logic.. but if they're looking for burke type players, cammy shouldn't be too far off their radar..

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