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01-05-2009, 10:58 AM
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TFP has Habs looking for PP QB..

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl090104.html

I would love to get Kaberle from the Leafs.

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01-05-2009, 11:02 AM
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To bad we let one of the best in the league walk when he could have been had for 2mil. per year mid season last year. Gainey

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01-05-2009, 11:10 AM
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To bad we let one of the best in the league walk when he could have been had for 2mil. per year mid season last year. Gainey
I have to agree that was definitely not one of Gainey's best moves, maybe even his worse, but hindsight is 20/20.

No one expected Streit to have the success he's having elsewhere.

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01-05-2009, 11:18 AM
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I have to agree that was definitely not one of Gainey's best moves, maybe even his worse, but hindsight is 20/20.

No one expected Streit to have the success he's having elsewhere.
I did...I expected him to have the success he's having before he was drafted!

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01-05-2009, 11:19 AM
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I did...I expected him to have the success he's having before he was drafted!
Yeah, well, uh.

Damn you.

Maybe you should be part of Gainey's staff.

When it comes down to it though Gainey obviously didn't, which is his mistake.

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01-05-2009, 11:26 AM
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I did...I expected him to have the success he's having before he was drafted!
I knew he was going to a PP specialist when he was in his mother's womb! .

As for the PP, it certainly does need help. This can be said about many teams but for the Habs especially, one extra PP goal a game would have avoided the OT in Tampa and yesterday with FLA. I think it is one of the main differences between the Habs and teams like the Bruins and Sharks. With a PP at around twenty percent we would have an extra 12 PP goals. That could alos boost our 5 on 5 scoring as well because teams would play a bit more tentatively against us.

As for the type of player that would improve it, I say we need a clear shooter with a blast from the point. Kubina may be the answer.

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01-05-2009, 11:30 AM
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Schneider could probably be had for real cheap but i dunno if he can fit under the cap.

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01-05-2009, 11:31 AM
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I knew he was going to a PP specialist when he was in his mother's womb! .

As for the PP, it certainly does need help. This can be said about many teams but for the Habs especially, one extra PP goal a game would have avoided the OT in Tampa and yesterday with FLA. I think it is one of the main differences between the Habs and teams like the Bruins and Sharks. With a PP at around twenty percent we would have an extra 12 PP goals. That could alos boost our 5 on 5 scoring as well because teams would play a bit more tentatively against us.

As for the type of player that would improve it, I say we need a clear shooter with a blast from the point. Kubina may be the answer.
not with his salary he isn't !

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I wonder what Kaberle could be had for? What would make him an even better pick up(if the price isn't over the top) is that he is still on the books for 2 more seasons after this one at a very reasonable rate(4.25mil.)

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Schneider could probably be had for real cheap but i dunno if he can fit under the cap.
out of all the players mentioned there he's the best fit given he's a ufa at the end of the year although kaberle would be awesome to have too (as would j-bo) but kaberle and j-bo would cost an arm and a leg

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To bad we let one of the best in the league walk when he could have been had for 2mil. per year mid season last year. Gainey

Mark Streit is not a top 4 defencemen on the Habs roster!!

If Streit had been a solid defencemen and within the top 4 on the team defensively, Gainey would have signed him, but to waste $2 million a season on Streit when he couldn't even be a regular in our defence pairings meant that Gainey had to let him go.

Streit said he only wanted to play defence and since we didn't have the room for him, we let him go. I wouldn't call it a bad move by Gainey...he just done what he had to do.

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To bad we let one of the best in the league walk when he could have been had for 2mil. per year mid season last year. Gainey
How do people still complain about this?

First of all I believe it was 3 million, not 2.

Second of all do you have any idea how much the Habs sucked 5 on 5 last year? They got totally exposed for it in the playoffs because of this. So Gainey got Lang and Tanguay (two of our top scorers) to fix this. Hey, it's working!

Streit could not play defence. The Habs are not going to pay $3M for a #5-6 dman or for a 3rd/4th liner, a guy who was pretty much a liability 5 on 5.

Geez the Habs could be 1st in PP, 1st in PK, 1st in ESG and 1st in GA and you'd complain that the Gatorade flavours on the bench are not right.

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1. TFP is not a good source, it's like a poor-man's Spector site.

2. They say, "According to various reports" without citing a single source.... again, that source could be Eklund, Garrioch, HFboards, and say, Larry Brooks -- not exactly beacons of real breaking news.

3. Yes the Habs need PP help.

4. They have a QB, it's Markov, what they need is a SHOOTER.

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First of all I believe it was 3 million, not 2.
It was either a two or three year deal at 2.5m per.

All those that think it would be a bad deal for the Habs are clearly delusional.

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I wonder what Kaberle could be had for? What would make him an even better pick up(if the price isn't over the top) is that he is still on the books for 2 more seasons after this one at a very reasonable rate(4.25mil.)
Kaberle will have to waive *and* the Leafs will want *at least* a first round draft pick, but a first rounder must be involved.

If Burke gets enough yes's from the team, he'll unload pretty much everyone for draft picks in the 09 and 10 Drafts. That includes Toskala, Kaberle, Kubina, Blake, Antropov, Ponikarovsky and Van Ryn. Some might be impossible and he'll have to take an albatross back (Blake) but if Burke can unload it, he will. He'll want the highest possible pick in return too.

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Mark Streit is not a top 4 defencemen on the Habs roster!!
He is better then Brisebois, and is a pp specialist. He likely has as many pp points on the worst team in the league, as the whole habs team has in pp goals!

I know the truth hurts, but it was a huge mistake to not extend him during last season.

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I still can't believe kids on this site still cry over Mark Streit...a defenceman who cannot play defense whatsoever. The guy wanted to play on the Defensive corp...except he cannot play worth ****! Habs are way better 5 on 5, something that is needed in the Playoffs where refs blow the whistle less and less.

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Yeah, well, uh.

Damn you.

Maybe you should be part of Gainey's staff.
When it comes down to it though Gainey obviously didn't, which is his mistake.

Nah, he'd be sentimental about Aebischer or Gerber.

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How do people still complain about this?

First of all I believe it was 3 million, not 2.

Second of all do you have any idea how much the Habs sucked 5 on 5 last year? They got totally exposed for it in the playoffs because of this. So Gainey got Lang and Tanguay (two of our top scorers) to fix this. Hey, it's working!

Streit could not play defence. The Habs are not going to pay $3M for a #5-6 dman or for a 3rd/4th liner, a guy who was pretty much a liability 5 on 5.
It seems to me you are looking at it exactly backwards. Paying $3 million per year for one of the top PP specialists in the league isn't bad if he can also play as your #5 or #6 defenseman.

In fact, the Habs are currently paying Brisebois $1.5 million to fill that role and he isn't accomplishing much. Any team in the league would pay an extra $1.5 million per year to upgrade their PP if it would take them from one of the worst in the league to one of the best.

As for Streit's defensive play, he is a -4 on a horrible team. Brendan Witt, as a matter of comparison, is a -21. Hopefully you aren't judging Streit's play from TSN highlignts.

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How do people still complain about this?

First of all I believe it was 3 million, not 2.

Second of all do you have any idea how much the Habs sucked 5 on 5 last year? They got totally exposed for it in the playoffs because of this. So Gainey got Lang and Tanguay (two of our top scorers) to fix this. Hey, it's working!

Streit could not play defence. The Habs are not going to pay $3M for a #5-6 dman or for a 3rd/4th liner, a guy who was pretty much a liability 5 on 5.

Geez the Habs could be 1st in PP, 1st in PK, 1st in ESG and 1st in GA and you'd complain that the Gatorade flavours on the bench are not right.
It was 2.5 and how can you make any argument for the idea that we're a better team without Streit?

At the very least he's no worse than Brisebois defensively and is loads better offensively. He would also have a huge impact on our PP. Not to mention that having one of the better offensive defenseman in the league (right now) signed a 2.5 per season could be used as a great bargaining chip in the future.

So again, how are worse off having Streit at 2.5 million?

I mean it's great that our 5 on 5 play has improved, but I don't see how it could be any worse with Streit replacing Brisebois on D and having the luxury of having a PP with him on the point. Why does it always have to be one or the other and not both?

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Schneider could probably be had for real cheap but i dunno if he can fit under the cap.

He's making well over $5M, so it'd be a big cap hit.

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Geez the Habs could be 1st in PP, 1st in PK, 1st in ESG and 1st in GA and you'd complain that the Gatorade flavours on the bench are not right.
Very true!

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We are paying 4m for 3 bottom pairing defense men currently. To argue that Streit would be a "waste" at 2.5m in laughable. With all the contracts due to be unloaded this summer, Streit's 2.5m would not hurt our cap a slightest bit while providing a lot of value.

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He's making well over $5M, so it'd be a big cap hit.
after half the season, on a pro-rated basis wouldnt that be closer to 2.5 mil for the rest of the year?

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Does anyone really know that Streit was considering signing for around 2 mil per season. I heard the reports but it sounds odd a player coming out with those numbers before the season is over and he is going to be a UFA. If Gainey could have locked up Streit at that much I am sure he would have done it.

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