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01-06-2009, 11:35 PM
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How many prospects and picks do you need Chaz...this team is loaded with young D both at the NHL, AHL and Junior level and has a ton of picks in the upcoming draft. Surely an improvement over the above three players could be had for a mid range prospect or pick.

I'm not saying trade Jack Johnson for a 20 goal player, but maybe a pick or a mid level prospect.

To get a goal scorer your gonna need to offer more then a draft pick or mid level prospect.

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01-06-2009, 11:36 PM
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It's the style of play. You think the players enjoy trapping, ALWAYS dumping, and hanging back with 1 forward in the offensive zone so they never get outnumbered?

Basically, every shift our forwards are outnumbered heavily in the offensive zone. We have 1 or 2 guys in deep, and they have their D, + backchecking forwards.

I don't think the players are the main problem here. We're not playing good hockey right now, and that's because of the system.

I'm all for some of the changes Murray has made, particularly play in our own zone, but the fear of odd man rushes is EXTREME, and it's seriously hindering our chances, particularly when our powerplay lacks coordination and a plan, and all our lines lack chemistry because of retarded line juggling.

I don't think Murray is a bad coach, but he needs to hire an offensive specialist to work on everything from breakouts to power plays, and he needs to stop being so damn afraid to forecheck and push our own forwards into the offensive zone.
The thing is they haven't been doing that all year. When they were playing much better, they were dumping the puck in, but they were getting two men in on the forecheck hard and causing turnovers. Now they're just half-assing it once they dump the puck in, and that goes back to a lack of effort.

I've played competitive hockey long enough to know how to tell when players are giving it their all or not, and it's hard to find anyone on the team consistently putting the effort in right now.

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I've noticed a very disturbing trend the past few weeks: The Kings are losing games solely because of a lack of effort.

The Buffalo game, the first Phoenix game, the Columbus game, and this game. Even in the Philadelphia game, they were pretty lucky to win that because they sure weren't battling it out. I mean, you can clearly say they just didn't try hard at all in all of those games.

For a young team, it's pretty disappointing that they're losing games because they're going through the motions and not because they're making understandable mistakes.
I am concerned that this may be a response by the players to the tight defense first philosophy that Murray has drummed into them, which as a side effect has limited our offense from jumping up into the play as quickly as they might like.

They may be frustrated by the lack of ability to generate offense in this system,as I am sure Kopitar, Sully and Brown are. Whatever the cause of their woes, You must score more than two golas consistently to win in this league more often than not, and we are only scoring one.

Find the offense and you will have the key. Or find the sake and drink!!!

EDIT ADD: I think the system is a factor, but not the underlying cause. HOWEVER, there are defensive systems and offensive system's that may optimize our players offensive abilities and the current ones do not!

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01-06-2009, 11:37 PM
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When Ahlers mentioned the stat about the Kings being 12th on offense last year and near the bottom on D and how they have flip flopped, it really pissed me off.

It's like the hockey gods are just playing a cruel joke on us. We go from one joke who just plays fun and gun hockey with no defense to another guy who tries to win every game 1-0.

We went from Jerry Glanville to Buddy Ryan.

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01-06-2009, 11:39 PM
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I am concerned that this may be a response by the players to the tight defense first philosophy that Murray has drummed into them, which as a side effect has limited our offense from jumping up into the play as quickly as they might like.

They may be frustrated by the lack of ability to generate offense in this system,as I am sure Kopitar, Sully and Brown are. Whatever the cause of their woes, You must score more than two golas consistently to win in this league more often than not, and we are only scoring one.

Find the offense and you will have the key. Or find the sake and drink!!!
The thing that bothers me the most is that they're not winning the one-on-one battles. The Flyers dominated the one-on-one battles for much of the game until the Kings turned it on late. Today, the Ducks controlled the boards and took the puck from the Kings so many times it was ridiculous. It's not even like they're busting their ***** and just losing the battles; they're not even engaging themselves.

Like I've said several times tonight, that all comes back to a lack of effort. When you don't fight for those loose pucks and fight to win those board battles, you're not trying, which is a huge slap in the face to anyone paying money to watch you or devotes much of their time to follow your team.

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01-06-2009, 11:40 PM
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01-06-2009, 11:42 PM
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01-06-2009, 11:42 PM
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Does O'Sully know how to pass? . . just checking

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Does O'Sully know how to pass? . . just checking
I'm pretty sure the only thing he knows how to do is carry the puck across the blueline, blatantly telegraph his shot, then have it blocked wide or out of play.

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The thing is they haven't been doing that all year. When they were playing much better, they were dumping the puck in, but they were getting two men in on the forecheck hard and causing turnovers. Now they're just half-assing it once they dump the puck in, and that goes back to a lack of effort.

I've played competitive hockey long enough to know how to tell when players are giving it their all or not, and it's hard to find anyone on the team consistently putting the effort in right now.
I disagree, I think players like Kopitar, O'Sullivan and Brown are showing effort. I think what has happened, and you'll see this in particular against the teams we play against a lot, is that we've become extremely predictable and easy to counter.

Tonight we play against Pronger and Scott Niedermayer, and we continue to dump it in and expect that to work. The Ducks have figured us out a LONG time ago, and we haven't adjusted at all. They're backchecking with 1 forward and pushing tight at the blueline, and we can't withstand the pressure because we have players like Gauthier, O'Donnel and Greene, who are not good puck handlers, in addition to young players who make mistakes because they're not fully accustomed to the puck pressure and speed yet.

So what happens tonight is, even though we try our best for a long time, eventually players get disheartened. Because our tactics are not working, and Murray shows no sign of willingness to change it around until we're down a goal (and then it's too little too late).

18 shots on goal speaks for itself. I'm not saying there's not room for improvement on the players' part when it comes to effort, but I think it's pretty narrow minded to blame our lack of scoring on that.

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01-06-2009, 11:45 PM
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I realize the players have to take quite a bit of blame.

But do you guys really think its a coincidence that Frolov, Kopitar, Brown and O'Sullivan are all down this season, I could see 1 or 2 of them, but the fact that all of them are down, you have to look at coaching.

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01-06-2009, 11:46 PM
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I blame Canada.

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18 shots on goal speaks for itself. I'm not saying there's not room for improvement on the players' part when it comes to effort, but I think it's pretty narrow minded to blame our lack of scoring on that.
No, it's not. When you're not winning any battles for the puck, that means the other team has the puck, meaning you're not going to get shots or scoring chances. Their lack of effort when it comes to 50-50 pucks is the most disturbing thing to me. They're consistently conceding the puck to the opposing team.

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I remember when reuniting O'Sullivan - Kopitar - Brown was the key to reviving our offense. How's that working out?

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I guess the only positive from this game was Ersberg was back and played well, its sucks that our goalies get no support and then their numbers get worse.

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01-06-2009, 11:50 PM
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I remember when reuniting O'Sullivan - Kopitar - Brown was the key to reviving our offense. How's that working out?
It doesn't when they don't understand how to execute a simple 2-1-2 forecheck. First man takes the body, second gets the puck. Not first guy halfheartedly chases behind the net while the other two watch and wait for the first guy to hopefully steal the puck.

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No, it's not. When you're not winning any battles for the puck, that means the other team has the puck, meaning you're not going to get shots or scoring chances. Their lack of effort when it comes to 50-50 pucks is the most disturbing thing to me. They're consistently conceding the puck to the opposing team.
But come on, man! we're 4th last in the WHOLE league in goals for. Our shooting percentage is awful, which means we're not even scoring on the shots we take. I hear what you're saying about effort, but look at the big picture here. You have to admit that even on good days, the Kings are really struggling to create quality scoring chances. Yes, we get garbage goals, and that's just fine for less skilled players, but it's not the way to utilize the more skilled players in the lineup. We're just throwing away our talent by not letting our best players do what they do best! Right now we're playing FAR from our potential.

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And didn't Brown have a hat trick one of the games he was with Stoll?

Its just mind boggling what this coach is doing...almost gets a Pete Rose type feel.

The lines were better when Brown was with Stoll and Calder and Lewis or Purcell were with Anze and Sully.

Yet Lewis goes down and we are still subject to seeing Zeiler and Ivanans, a couple of Central Hockey League grads who are playing on our NHL roster.

Are the Kings the only team in the NHL with even one CHL grad, much less two on their roster?

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So this is what it feels like being a Kings Fan ..Hmmmm

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And didn't Brown have a hat trick one of the games he was with Stoll?

Its just mind boggling what this coach is doing...almost gets a Pete Rose type feel.

The lines were better when Brown was with Stoll and Calder and Lewis or Purcell were with Anze and Sully.
Agreed. Like I said earlier, it's just NOT working with Brown-Kopitar-O'Sullivan. The chemistry was much better with the lines you mentioned.

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Wheres Zad with the postgame thread? I need some comedy before i go to sleep... Maybe hes drunk and passed out?

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Wheres Zad with the postgame thread? I need some comedy before i go to sleep... Maybe hes drunk and passed out?
Maybe he's in the closet.

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Bobby Ryan looks better than Kopitar right now, I swear every game before this year Kopitar would murder us, but he does not look like the same guy t his year.

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