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01-07-2009, 11:54 PM
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There is no way that Halak would get us a 1st rounder. Never. I say he would bring in a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. Thats it though.

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01-08-2009, 12:21 AM
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It seems like we're repeating the same thing in every Halak thread, but here it goes... again.

Halak on his own isn't worth much. Maybe a prospect or a draft pick. But if you package him with better talent, he could fetch us a 3rd or 4th defenseman.

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01-08-2009, 12:29 AM
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There is no way that Halak would get us a 1st rounder. Never. I say he would bring in a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd. Thats it though.
I am in no way in favour of trading Halak or in speculating on the value he might bring, but it's hard to compare values from an almost-UFA and a player that has several years remaining under the control of the team. Biron and Huet set the value for impending UFA's, perhaps Vesa Toskala is a representatoin of an underpaid backup under contract.

Not making a comparison of Toskala to Halak, but if Halak has a great month or 2, got a couple playoff starts, some GM's might start to think of him as a starter-in-waiting. that's when interest (and value) would rise.

Today, he's worth more to the Habs than he is to anyone else. Sure some people will talk about the improbable knock-your-socks-off offer that Gainey has to entertain, but that's fan fantasy. From a prospect point of view most organizations have a least one goaltender that they would put in the Halak level of potential. That leaves a situation of a high supply of Halaks, and a low demand.

I personally think that Halak is going to show his value at some point, not in terms of assets he gets the team, but in some part of his play. Hey, maybe it's happening right now, because I've not heard of a timeline for Price's return or how serious his injury might be down the road. We might be seeing Halak growing before our very eyes in the next few months.

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For the time being the Habs are stuck with Halak. He's given the team 3 shaky games in a row. The Habs were lucky to defeat the Panthers and the Rangers. Every out of town commentator recognizes that Halak is very weak and they point it out on their broadcasts. Unfortunately, Price is injured and Denis isn't playing well, so Gainey can't trade Halak. Besides, Halak has little or no market value at this point. Price can't play every game forthe rest of the season, so Hab fans will have to suffer until Halak starts to play at a competent NHL level.

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I am in no way in favour of trading Halak or in speculating on the value he might bring, but it's hard to compare values from an almost-UFA and a player that has several years remaining under the control of the team. Biron and Huet set the value for impending UFA's, perhaps Vesa Toskala is a representatoin of an underpaid backup under contract.

Not making a comparison of Toskala to Halak, but if Halak has a great month or 2, got a couple playoff starts, some GM's might start to think of him as a starter-in-waiting. that's when interest (and value) would rise.

Today, he's worth more to the Habs than he is to anyone else. Sure some people will talk about the improbable knock-your-socks-off offer that Gainey has to entertain, but that's fan fantasy. From a prospect point of view most organizations have a least one goaltender that they would put in the Halak level of potential. That leaves a situation of a high supply of Halaks, and a low demand.

I personally think that Halak is going to show his value at some point, not in terms of assets he gets the team, but in some part of his play. Hey, maybe it's happening right now, because I've not heard of a timeline for Price's return or how serious his injury might be down the road. We might be seeing Halak growing before our very eyes in the next few months.

Growing like a tumor?


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01-08-2009, 02:07 AM
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For the time being the Habs are stuck with Halak. He's given the team 3 shaky games in a row. The Habs were lucky to defeat the Panthers and the Rangers. Every out of town commentator recognizes that Halak is very weak and they point it out on their broadcasts. Unfortunately, Price is injured and Denis isn't playing well, so Gainey can't trade Halak. Besides, Halak has little or no market value at this point. Price can't play every game forthe rest of the season, so Hab fans will have to suffer until Halak starts to play at a competent NHL level.
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01-08-2009, 08:11 PM
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No. Halak has more value where he is. He played splendidly last night against the Rangers.

I was checking Price's win-loss numbers compared with his stats and it reminded me of when I checked those of Patrick Roy in 1985-86 - his gaa and svpct stats not much better than Soetart's, but Soetart was a .500 goalie the way Halak seems to be, while Roy was finding ways to parlay his numbers into significantly more wins than losses.

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How the hell do we have a thread on trading this dude every 2-3 days? What can possibly change so much in that period of time?

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01-09-2009, 01:27 AM
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With Carey Price firmly established as your number one goalie, do you think Montreal would entertain offer's for Halak?

Halak is a potentially top 10 starter in the NHL and while he wont be as good as Price will have the chance to have an equally successfull career. Having said that, it will not happen in Montreal while Price is here meaning that you will have to trade him to another team in need of a Goalie.

My main question is, do you think he is available and if he was, what kind of value do you expect back for him

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Habs might trade him to move up in draft. Myself, I think Halak is next Gerber type. But with right goaltending coach could be another Vokoun also. At 23, and a goalie, hard to say.

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01-09-2009, 01:34 AM
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We have to wait for his value to go up before trading him. He's a great asset, a 9th round pick who's providing us a good bang for our buck. If he could simply learn to not always play so deep in net he could become a top 10-15 goalie in this league, I truly believe it.

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01-09-2009, 01:56 AM
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Lebeau made a good point yesterday on La Zone..
He said..Halak is 26th in GAA...and 22nd in Sv%..
When you consider there's 30starters, he's definitely one of the best back up.

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01-09-2009, 02:58 AM
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We just need to be more patient with him

I still think the kid has Top 10 goalie potential... he can be a very good starter... he just needs the confidence and to tweak his game.

Halak has been successful at every level of Hockey... kid is a winner

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We have to wait for his value to go up before trading him. He's a great asset, a 9th round pick who's providing us a good bang for our buck. If he could simply learn to not always play so deep in net he could become a top 10-15 goalie in this league, I truly believe it.
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01-09-2009, 04:10 AM
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Lebeau made a good point yesterday on La Zone..
He said..Halak is 26th in GAA...and 22nd in Sv%..
When you consider there's 30starters, he's definitely one of the best back up.
Is that counting all goalies or just those who have played X amount of games?

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