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01-08-2009, 10:47 AM
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WORST offer I've ever seen.. More realistic would be

To leafs: halak, o'byrne, 6th in 2010

To Habs: kaberle
i'm pretty realistic, and that is horrible.

Kaberle will be moved for NO LESS than a 1st + 2nd + prospect (Burke said it last night)

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01-08-2009, 10:48 AM
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You should have at least 1000 post before posting proposal

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I like Nazem Kadri more than Kane, if you ask me.

Also, I'll be rooting for one of Simon Despres and Dmitri Kullikov before Evander Kane. I dont know why.
haha, i'm fine with Kadri, i just don't want B. Schenn....it shouldn't be drafted before 12th IMO. We need a pure goal scorer.

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01-08-2009, 11:32 AM
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While the proposals at the start of this thread are somewhat of a joke, the discussion about Kaberle to Montreal is an intriguing idea from both ends.

Kaberle would help the habs biggest area of weakness, which is a PP defenceman. Markov is great but the PP stats don't lie. Plus, having Brisebois as the #6 dman is downright scary. Kaberle is only 30 yo with a cap friendly contract. Not having his best year this season though, it may hurt his value a bit.

As for Toronto, keeping Kaberle would clearly not hurt them but it might not be in the team's best long term interest, especially if they can flip him for a good return of young players. Since the Leafs are looking at a 3-5 year horizon, Kaberle is going to be a 33 - 35 year old dman then. Kaberle's best years are the next 2-3 years. So it does make sense if the return is right for the Leafs to move him and help the rebuilding process.

Bob Gainey has a history of going for the Cup when he feels the timing is right. As the Dallas GM, he traded Jerome Ignila to Calgary for Joe Niewendyk, which ended up win-win. I see BG trying to make a similiar type trade. What this means is I think that BG will want to keep the NHL roster intact while trading prospects for help so I am not sure a player like Higgins will be included. You may see one high end prospect a la McDonaugh, Subban or even Pacioretty traded with draft picks.

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01-08-2009, 11:36 AM
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WORST offer I've ever seen.. More realistic would be

To leafs: halak, o'byrne, 6th in 2010

To Habs: kaberle
It's a bad offer no doubt, but maybe you should look at the 2 you've posted on here before giving him the title of "worst".

Let me refresh your memory:

"Listen up habs fans!!!
How would all of you like to see this trade I know I would

To mtl: Jordan stall, 6th round pick in 09

To pit: chris higgins

Higgins is a 30 goal scorer can play winger and centre now I'm a big higgins fan but I think it be a good move for both clubs I mean there's a winger for Crosby to work with"

And this sweet little gem:

"How about this

How about this I've got a counter offer which I think Gainey should think about how a bout
To Montreal: john-micheal liles, Milan hejduk

To Colorado: jaroslav halak, Ryan o'byrne, mathieu carle, 4th... "


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01-08-2009, 11:51 AM
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To Toronto

PK Subban
Andre Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
1st Round 10




To Montreal
Nikolai Antropov
1st Round 09
Jeff Finger
2nd Round 11

Leafs already have a Kostitsyn. His name is Mikail Stefonovich. Be patient.
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WORST offer I've ever seen.. More realistic would be

To leafs: halak, o'byrne, 6th in 2010

To Habs: kaberle


dont even talk lol that is even WORSE!

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01-08-2009, 11:58 AM
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Sports team 1200 has Christopher Higgins and a frist round pick for Tomas Kaberle pending on him waving his NTC.

Personally, I like this deal. Both teams benefit. Habs would have top defense in league, adding 55 points to their blueline. Higgins is a good two-way forward, first round pick in this draft is a gem. Opens up a spot for Pacorietty also, who I think will be a better player and is close to ready.

Overall, I don't like trading draft choices but in Montreal's case it is all about timing. When a team is getting close to a cup and drafting late, it's time to deal draft picks. Maybe Montreal offer Higgins, 2nd round pick and O'Bryne for Kaberle? Where draft is in Montreal
that would be an AMAZING deal Montreal standpoint.

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01-08-2009, 12:02 PM
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that would be an AMAZING deal Montreal standpoint.
Yes, yes it would.

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This is all unlikely.

Kaberle is a fantastic hockey player but not a great fit. We need a shooter on the point. Kaberle is more of a quarterback. Montreal's powerplay already has 5 playmakers and no shooters.

It's unlikely the two teams will trade with each other again this year. There's a chance they will but there are opinions out there (like mine) that Gainey won't trade with Burke (from a few years back when Burke *****ed about Rivet).

Other teams make more sense.

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01-08-2009, 12:12 PM
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Major overpayment for Kaberle. Take Subban out for another prospect except McDonagh and we have a deal.
Burke likes americans, Higgins, Pacioretty, 1st

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01-08-2009, 12:21 PM
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Burke likes americans, Higgins, Pacioretty, 1st

Personally,i don't do that.But i'd be willing to give Higgins, McDonagh, 3rd or Higgins, Fischer, 1st.

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01-08-2009, 12:45 PM
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Burke likes americans, Higgins, Pacioretty, 1st
I don't know if Montreal fans would like that but what about if we added...


Tlusty, Kaberle

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Hggins, Pacioretty/McDonaugh, O'Byrne/Halak, 1st in 09

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01-08-2009, 01:00 PM
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WORST offer I've ever seen.. More realistic would be

To leafs: halak, o'byrne, 6th in 2010

To Habs: kaberle
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Did you really just make a WORSE offer after saying what you just said???
I can't believe you actually added the 6th Rd pick too...geez don't be so generous...lol

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01-08-2009, 01:14 PM
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How about Kaberle for D'Agostini, Carle and a pick? A UFA won't get you much more. I think the Rangers or Devils might need him more than Montreal.

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Burke likes americans, Higgins, Pacioretty, 1st
I hope not.....I would be shocked if Gainey traded either Pacioretty or McDonaugh...Higgins is probably expendable..

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01-08-2009, 01:34 PM
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Personally,i don't do that.But i'd be willing to give Higgins, McDonagh, 3rd or Higgins, Fischer, 1st.

Higgins, Fischer and a 2nd in 09 is as high as I would go for Kaberle.I doubt the Leafs would trade Kaberle to the Habs unless it was for a major overpayment from the Habs..

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01-08-2009, 01:49 PM
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I hope not.....I would be shocked if Gainey traded either Pacioretty or McDonaugh...Higgins is probably expendable..
You need to give up some value to get value. ESPECIALLY if Toronto is sending their top player to the divisional rival Montreal of all places. We're going to have to play against him.

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Personally,i don't do that.But i'd be willing to give Higgins, McDonagh, 3rd or Higgins, Fischer, 1st.
Trades for players of Kaberle stature will go for:

a) good young player, quality prospect, & 1st

b) proven young player with 1st line/top pairing potential, & 1st/quality prospect

And as i mentioned in the previous post, it will be more expensive for MTL than other teams when you consider we are rivals from the same division

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If you added a B level prospect like Subban. I'd do it. Otherwise I'd pass.
Have you seen the WJC ?? Subban is not "B prospect".

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How about Kaberle for D'Agostini, Carle and a pick? A UFA won't get you much more. I think the Rangers or Devils might need him more than Montreal.
Kaberle is under contract for a few more years @ $4.25 per.

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Have you seen the WJC ?? Subban is not "B prospect".
Oh my, he plays a decent tournament and now he is a top prospect....oh please....

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Oh my, he plays a decent tournament and now he is a top prospect....oh please....
It's not only his good tournament ( common now, since when is being chosen the best Dman for your team and on the Allstar team of the tournament a decent tournament ??!). It's also his phenomal play in the OHL and his exemplary attitude. The guy is possibly our best Dman prospect( yes, in front of McDonagh, and if you don't believe me there is a big discussion about this on the Mtl forum). I don't consider that a B level prospect whatever you may think.

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It's not only his good tournament ( common now, since when is being chosen the best Dman for your team and on the Allstar team of the tournament a decent tournament ??!). It's also his phenomal play in the OHL and his exemplary attitude. The guy is possibly our best Dman prospect( yes, in front of McDonagh, and if you don't believe me there is a big discussion about this on the Mtl forum). I don't consider that a B level prospect whatever you may think.
Let the over rating begin...

To be honest, I'd rather have McDonaugh or Pac. Subban reminds me too much of McCabe in some senses. He has a lot of brain farts and leaves his position all the time to rush the puck, and gets caught more often than not. Sure he looks flashy and when he does score on his rushes they look good, but I wouldn't wish the headaches on Leafs fans. Most of us were glad when McCabe was dealt.

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Let the over rating begin...

To be honest, I'd rather have McDonaugh or Pac. Subban reminds me too much of McCabe in some senses. He has a lot of brain farts and leaves his position all the time to rush the puck, and gets caught more often than not. Sure he looks flashy and when he does score on his rushes they look good, but I wouldn't wish the headaches on Leafs fans. Most of us were glad when McCabe was dealt.

Agreed. Subban's abilities are great, but his decision-making is questionable at times.

McDonagh >> Subban IMO


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Higgins, Fisher, 1st in 2009, conditional 2nd in 2010

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Kaberle, Conditional 3rd in 2010

Voila.

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