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01-06-2009, 01:40 AM
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JJ as an RFA

With all the youthful talent in LA. Doughty, Simmonds, Moller, Hickey, Teubert, Voinov, I have two questions.

Can we afford to sign JJ if he recieves a high offer next summer? UFA defensemen will be pretty scarce.

If he is offerred such a contract, do we take the picks or not?

I like JJ and want him to remain a king for a long time but might another team make a pitch even with all of Lombardi's threats?

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01-06-2009, 01:50 AM
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Like with any RFA, it depends on the team that's making the offer.

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01-06-2009, 01:52 AM
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I can't see any team throwing out an offer that the Kings wouldn't match, especially with the cap expected to stay the same or go down.

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I don't see JJ getting a huge contract. I wouldn't give him for then 3 mil for 3 years. One ok season and promise doesn't get you a 5 million a year contract with DL. I would take the 4 1st round picks for JJ any day

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I think signing JJ works in favor of the Kings because of his injury. . .I expect a Matt Greene (maybe 500k - 1 Mil more) type contract

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IMO I think JJ will want to go back to his home state, home team.

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I think signing JJ works in favor of the Kings because of his injury. . .I expect a Matt Greene (maybe 500k - 1 Mil more) type contract
I'm betting 1.5 - 2 million.

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I'm betting 1.5 - 2 million.
If he gets more than 2 million a year for his atrocious stats so far in the NHL he should wear a ski mask instead of a helmet. Doughty has proven how far behind the learning curve Jack Johnson was when he came from Michigan. This kid should have spent about 2 full seasons in the minors learning how to play defense instead of whatever they were letting him do at Michigan. I don't know of too many success stories of guys who learned how to play fundamentally sound hockey at the NHL level.

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If he gets more than 2 million a year for his atrocious stats so far in the NHL he should wear a ski mask instead of a helmet. Doughty has proven how far behind the learning curve Jack Johnson was when he came from Michigan. This kid should have spent about 2 full seasons in the minors learning how to play defense instead of whatever they were letting him do at Michigan. I don't know of too many success stories of guys who learned how to play fundamentally sound hockey at the NHL level.
LOL. Shouldn't Matt Greene be getting paid in food stamps then?

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LOL. Shouldn't Matt Greene be getting paid in food stamps then?
We all knew what Greene was going to do offensively. He's like a Norstrom, rarely plays offense, rarely gets a shot on goal but at his age there aren't many quality stay at home dmen. That's usually a position filled by a rotating market of guys like Ken Klee, Aaron Miller, etc. They break down, Greene should be in his prime. So I can see that amount of money, maybe a little too much. Now if Jack Johnson is a stay at home dman-which is something he has not shown so far-then the Kings don't need him. You already have Greene who has shown he can play defense at the NHL level. Johnson has not. It's clear to me that Johnson was allowed to roam the ice freely at Michigan, getting over on inferior players and now that he is facing teams of guys who are all more skilled than he is he has struggled. No question he is a great skater, he is a good puck handler but I have yet to see any other are of his game that stounds out. If some team signs him to a bloated offer sheet you have to take the picks, you can't pay guys based on highlight reel plays against Ferris State.

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IMO I think JJ will want to go back to his home state, home team.
The Indiana Pacers?

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We all knew what Greene was going to do offensively. He's like a Norstrom, rarely plays offense, rarely gets a shot on goal but at his age there aren't many quality stay at home dmen. That's usually a position filled by a rotating market of guys like Ken Klee, Aaron Miller, etc. They break down, Greene should be in his prime. So I can see that amount of money, maybe a little too much. Now if Jack Johnson is a stay at home dman-which is something he has not shown so far-then the Kings don't need him. You already have Greene who has shown he can play defense at the NHL level. Johnson has not. It's clear to me that Johnson was allowed to roam the ice freely at Michigan, getting over on inferior players and now that he is facing teams of guys who are all more skilled than he is he has struggled. No question he is a great skater, he is a good puck handler but I have yet to see any other are of his game that stounds out. If some team signs him to a bloated offer sheet you have to take the picks, you can't pay guys based on highlight reel plays against Ferris State.
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wow. i haven't seen the debbie downers in a while. i guess that's a good thing.

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He is going to be getting something around $2-3.5 million a season throughout his contract. Probably start out in the twos and come out of the contract in the 3's for a term of 3-4 years.

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You can't get down on JJ because of his play. It is obvious by the way the team is playing this year versus last year that MC didn't have a solid defensive game plan and Murray is (so far) a much better coach.

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JJ is a bust. Trade him for a pick.



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I don't see JJ getting a huge contract. I wouldn't give him for then 3 mil for 3 years. One ok season and promise doesn't get you a 5 million a year contract with DL. I would take the 4 1st round picks for JJ any day
agree with this 100%.

From what he's shown so far, JJ is an adequate defenseman, nothing more, nothing less. He's not a game-changing player (yet), either on defense or offense.

Doughty has shown much more to be a player worth keeping - at (almost) all costs.

I would be VERY surprised if another team threw huge money at JJ - and right now, I would take the picks.

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agree with this 100%.

From what he's shown so far, JJ is an adequate defenseman, nothing more, nothing less. He's not a game-changing player (yet), either on defense or offense.

Doughty has shown much more to be a player worth keeping - at (almost) all costs.

I would be VERY surprised if another team threw huge money at JJ - and right now, I would take the picks.
I disagree. Until we see Johnson out there with the leash off for a whole season I reserve judgement on such a player. We all know his situation last season, and he was one of the best defensemen on just about the worst team in the NHL... The scouting report on the kid was not BS, he can skate and his stick handling, playmaking, and flash/flair are all up there. He just has not had the opportunity and is taking longer to develop. Granted, I would consider four freaking first rounders for nearly any player on the team except Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty, and would probably do it for Johnson, but anything short of that and I sign him. People are just high on Doughty right now, you can't overlook our other blue chip prospect...

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I disagree. Until we see Johnson out there with the leash off for a whole season I reserve judgement on such a player. We all know his situation last season, and he was one of the best defensemen on just about the worst team in the NHL... The scouting report on the kid was not BS, he can skate and his stick handling, playmaking, and flash/flair are all up there. He just has not had the opportunity and is taking longer to develop. Granted, I would consider four freaking first rounds for nearly any player, and would probably do it for Johnson, but anything short of that and I sign him. People are just high on Doughty right now, you can't overlook our other blue chip prospect...
I wouldnt say he was the best last year.... he got smoked regularly

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I wouldnt say he was the best last year.... he got smoked regularly
Thats why I said "one of the best" because I agree, he had lapses. Doughty has been smoked quite a few times too though not as much. All I am asking is why are people throwing in the towel just because he takes longer to develop than Doughty?

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Thats why I said "one of the best" because I agree, he had lapses. Doughty has been smoked quite a few times too though not as much. All I am asking is why are people throwing in the towel just because he takes longer to develop than Doughty?
I agree with your main point, We havent seen what jmfj can really do, id rather keep him so he can start rippin it up as long as he stays healthy

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Doughty has made more glaring mistakes as a rookie than Johnson did. Johnson was a rookie and deserves a break from the naysayers.

I'm not harping on Doughty or anything, but the odds of a 2 on 1 against are really high when he is out there...and they are usually caused by him misplaying pucks at the point and getting stripped by opposing forwards. He either takes the penalty, or gives up an odd-man rush.

It is all still growing pains...both guys are going to be good for a long time.

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Thats why I said "one of the best" because I agree, he had lapses. Doughty has been smoked quite a few times too though not as much. All I am asking is why are people throwing in the towel just because he takes longer to develop than Doughty?
Throwing in the towel usually means the player is dumped for nothing. Getting 4 1st rounders is a gigantic return. 4 years, 12 million I can see. His skating ability alone as a defensemen puts him in a different category. But, if a team makes a 4 year, 16 million dollar offer I take the 4 picks. 4 1st rounders can change the fortunes of the Kings for many years down the road. One thing is for certain, when he comes back from inury he has to step up his game otherwise I would not expect a big raise just on potential alone. If he bombs out to end the season I think it puts Lombardi in a real tough position.

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Doughty has made more glaring mistakes as a rookie than Johnson did. Johnson was a rookie and deserves a break from the naysayers.

I'm not harping on Doughty or anything, but the odds of a 2 on 1 against are really high when he is out there...and they are usually caused by him misplaying pucks at the point and getting stripped by opposing forwards. He either takes the penalty, or gives up an odd-man rush.

It is all still growing pains...both guys are going to be good for a long time.
Doughty always seems to make the right play to me, I guess we're watching different games.

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Doughty always seems to make the right play to me, I guess we're watching different games.
He gets caught flat-footed at the point at times. Again, not a knock...he'll get coached up and get his weaknesses fixed.

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