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Can Kiprusoff set the NHL "Wins" record?

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01-09-2009, 01:27 PM
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Can Kiprusoff set the NHL "Wins" record?

Can he?

Kiprusoff currently leads the league with 25 wins. Brodeur has the NHL record with 48 total wins in a seson, but Kiprusoff is on pace for 50. Not too bad for a goaltender some people have been saying is steadily declining.

Another thing to think about, Calgary has only been in a couple of shootouts, and haven't one one of those yet this season, so those 25 wins are all comparable to pre-lockout totals (unlike the sometimes inflated win total due to shootouts deciding games when there may have been a tie).

I would also think San Jose's Nabokov may be in the hunt for 50, as well, even after missing games due to injury.

Thoughts?

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he can

but he wont

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maybe but wins for a goalie is a dumb stat anyway

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Possible? Yes. Will it actually happen? No.

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Not too bad for a goaltender some people have been saying is steadily declining.
Save percentage......0.902

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Wins......25

That is what we are talking about here isn't it?

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01-09-2009, 02:36 PM
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I wonder, by the end of the season if he has a legitimate shot at it, if Keenan will play him in all games knowing it would tire him out. Better yet, I wonder if Kipper even cares at all....

I know Kipper has stated he only cares about "wins" not save percentage or GAA (this was early in the season when it sucked), but has never said anything about breaking league records...

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Wins......25

That is what we are talking about here isn't it?
I was commenting on the part where OP said Kipper was doing pretty well. The save percentage says otherwise (he's not doing bad - just average). Team is scoring alot of goals. That's why Flames are winning - balanced scoring. # of wins for a goalie doesn't mean alot - Raycroft got close to 40 wins on the Leafs and he was utter garbage.

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If he does beat that record or come close would that put him up for Veznia consideration?

(assuming his numbers get better too)

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If he does beat that record or come close would that put him up for Veznia consideration?

(assuming his numbers get better too)
If this happens - of course. A strong candidate. Only my opinion of course.

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I was commenting on the part where OP said Kipper was doing pretty well. The save percentage says otherwise (he's not doing bad - just average). Team is scoring alot of goals. That's why Flames are winning - balanced scoring. # of wins for a goalie doesn't mean alot - Raycroft got close to 40 wins on the Leafs and he was utter garbage.
Kipper's save % is low because for the early part of the season, Calgary defence was nonexistant. For the past few seasons they have continually hung him out to dry. I've always said he's much better than his save%/GAA indicate...he usually comes up huge on crucial saves (breakaways, etc.) or lets in softies at the end of a game when it doesnt matter anymore.

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With Backlund on the team, yes.

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maybe but wins for a goalie is a dumb stat anyway
Dumb stat?

Ask any goalie what stat is the most important, and they'll tell you it's that nice little number under the W column.

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If he does beat that record or come close would that put him up for Veznia consideration?

(assuming his numbers get better too)
His numbers will have to get better or Calgary will have to finish very near to the top of the league.

Even if this happens, he will need a couple of other goalies to slump. Some of the usual suspects aren't heavy into the race (ie. Brodeur, Turco, Luongo), but it seems like there are a ton of new faces emerging this year making an impact.

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The save percentage says otherwise (he's not doing bad - just average).
Save percentage is subjective. If there was a way to weight a save percentage based on quality scoring chances, then we could ahve a better story.

If calgary gives up 27 shots a game, that is 3 goals per game... seams not so great, but on the other hand, if Calgary gives up 20 quality scoring chances a game... only allowing 3 goals is great.

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Dumb stat?

Ask any goalie what stat is the most important, and they'll tell you it's that nice little number under the W column.
lol, of course they're gonna say that wins is all that matters. jesus.

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Save percentage is subjective. If there was a way to weight a save percentage based on quality scoring chances, then we could ahve a better story.

If calgary gives up 27 shots a game, that is 3 goals per game... seams not so great, but on the other hand, if Calgary gives up 20 quality scoring chances a game... only allowing 3 goals is great.
It isn't perfect, but it's a far more accurate stat used to compare goalies than any other stat. Calgary's blueline doesn't strike me as the kind that gives up an abnormal amount of quality scoring chances against.

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lol, of course they're gonna say that wins is all that matters. jesus.
Well there you go.

The win IS all that matters in the end.

There's a reason why they only put the W on the goalie's stat sheet despite it being a "team" stat.

In the end, every single of a goalie's stat is dependent on the team in front of him. If the team plays a strong defense and limits scoring chances, there's a high probability that he's going to have good stats. Are all goalie stats dumb?

This is a ****ing team game, every single stat has some measure of "team play" in it.

Saying that the win is a dumb stat is as stupid as saying that GAA is a dumb stat.


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I hope he does play almost all the remaining games, gets the record and has nagging injuries and is burned out for the playoffs.

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He likely wont set the record but he only needs 24 more wins. if the flames keep up their pace right now, a 24-13 record is certainly attainable(that is assuming he is only rested 4 more games this season). Also Kipper has played very well this year, the flames really seem to lack a tight defensive system and alot of the goals kipper lets in he really doesnt have much of a chance on.

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Stupidest HFBoards post of the day (which says alot).
when comparing 2 goalies there is nothing dumber than bringing wins into the conversation.

this isn't exactly rocket science.

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It isn't perfect, but it's a far more accurate stat used to compare goalies than any other stat. Calgary's blueline doesn't strike me as the kind that gives up an abnormal amount of quality scoring chances against.
Not as many now as the start of the season. Hence why people are saying his numbers are misleading if you look at his play post Nov 16th.

The defense however has the habit of leaving him out to dry. As someone who has seen him play alot I can fairly say he is playing better then he was last season and he is a HUGE reason why Calgary is doing very well.

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when comparing 2 goalies there is nothing dumber than bringing wins into the conversation.

this isn't exactly rocket science.
Wow. I've seen it all.

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when comparing 2 goalies there is nothing dumber than bringing wins into the conversation.

this isn't exactly rocket science.
Bingo, well sort of...

As far as the Veznia, his stats would have to get significantly better.
As of now he is not in the top 30 for Save % or GAA.

Veznia is not about how good the team is, it's about how good the the goalie is.

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