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01-09-2009, 03:55 PM
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With the way wins are handed out now-a-days the WIN isn't such a big deal. Broduer only broke that record thanks to no more ties...

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Bingo.

And as far as the Veznia, his stats would have to get significantly better.
As of now he is not in the top 30 for Save % or GAA.

Veznia is not about how good the team is, it's about how good the the goalie is.
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01-09-2009, 04:02 PM
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He's is also no.4 for Goals Against.

Sure he has played the most games, but that is also the reason he has the most wins so I feel this stats is just as valid as anything else.

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Save percentage is subjective. If there was a way to weight a save percentage based on quality scoring chances, then we could ahve a better story.

If calgary gives up 27 shots a game, that is 3 goals per game... seams not so great, but on the other hand, if Calgary gives up 20 quality scoring chances a game... only allowing 3 goals is great.
My new pet peeve on hfboards is the misuse of the word "subjective." Other than that, I agree that quality scoring chances is a better indicator than shear number of saves, but then what constitutes a "quality scoring chance" is, in fact, subjective.

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His numbers ARE bit misleading, though, because of his slow start, and I am especially sure they are a good deal better since the SJ debacle.

As someone else has mentioned, Vezina's are voted on by GMs, and a thing like a record breaking 50 wins just might stand out enough to them... But, that is jumping ahead. Winning 50 would be a huge accomplishment, especially considering, at least to this point, he hasn't had any shoot out wins this year to pad the stat.

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With the way wins are handed out now-a-days the WIN isn't such a big deal. Broduer only broke that record thanks to no more ties...
Thank you. This is correct.

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01-09-2009, 05:06 PM
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Thank you. This is correct.
You and the other guy might want to notice that the Flames haven't won a single game in the shootout this season.

His total would be the same if OT finished in a tie.

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If all we are counting is wins then Raycroft is having an excellent year. Don't look at his other stats though, you will most likely projectile vomit.

I do not think that Kipper will break the record but who knows, stranger things have happened.

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01-09-2009, 05:12 PM
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You and the other guy might want to notice that the Flames haven't won a single game in the shootout this season.

His total would be the same if OT finished in a tie.
Exactly. One of the things that, to this point, make it pretty outstanding.

And if you compare Raycroft to Kiprusoff, you're out of your mind. Besides, the title of the thread IS looking at wins.

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01-09-2009, 05:21 PM
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Dumb stat?

Ask any goalie what stat is the most important, and they'll tell you it's that nice little number under the W column.
A win should matter more than any stat to any player, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a good indicator of how good a goaltender is. Those are two completely different things.

Would Kipper have this many wins on the Islanders? Obviously not. But that doesn't affect how good he is as a player. A goalie is rarely the sole reason for a win or a loss.

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Exactly. One of the things that, to this point, make it pretty outstanding.

And if you compare Raycroft to Kiprusoff, you're out of your mind. Besides, the title of the thread IS looking at wins.
I was just pointing out the fact that he is 8-1, and that wins are a team effort. I did offer my opinion on the topic in my original post.

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You and the other guy might want to notice that the Flames haven't won a single game in the shootout this season.

His total would be the same if OT finished in a tie.
Have they won games in a no-risk overtime?

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Have they won games in a no-risk overtime?
They've only won one overtime game. It was against St.Louis.

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Sure, he has a chance, but it's going to difficult to do, and it doesn't take away the fact that he's not any better than last year's version of Kipper.

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^^^ Oh he's much better. Rarely does he allow those spirit-deflating weak goals and he makes timely saves. It's not "how many" as much as it is "when."

His SVPCT is also .919 since the SJ game (and since his team stopped hanging him out to dry).

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So let's say a team goes 72-10 for the season. And the average score for one of their games is 5-4 and they average 20 shots against. Now let's say their starter won 62 of those games. Impressive huh? Not so much when you take into account his 4.00 GAA and .800 save%.

That is why (albeit an extreme example) wins for a goaltender is not a good measuring stick for performance. Common sense people...

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I think it depends more on the rest of his team than it does on Kiprusoff. If he can keep healthy and keeps getting starts, absolutely.

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01-09-2009, 06:37 PM
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So let's say a team goes 72-10 for the season. And the average score for one of their games is 5-4 and they average 20 shots against. Now let's say their starter won 62 of those games. Impressive huh? Not so much when you take into account his 4.00 GAA and .800 save%.

That is why (albeit an extreme example) wins for a goaltender is not a good measuring stick for performance. Common sense people...
or you can play incredible and give up 2 goals in 50 shots and lose 2-1 because your team can't score so you don't get the almighty "win."

somehow people here cannot understand this concept.

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Dan Cloutier put up 3 consecutive 30 win seasons...we all know how that ended up.

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01-09-2009, 06:50 PM
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As someone else has mentioned, Vezina's are voted on by GMs, and a thing like a record breaking 50 wins just might stand out enough to them...
Uh, I don't think it's going to stand out enough for them to ignore that he's ranked 33rd in save % and 31st in GA.

Maybe if he can sneak into the top ten, they might, might consider him.

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Dan Cloutier put up 3 consecutive 30 win seasons...we all know how that ended up.
What a wasteland this board is.

The discussion is about Fifty wins.

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Likely not, but Kipper getting 24 wins in the Flames next 41 games (of which Kipper will likely play 38-39) is not completely out of the question.

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What a wasteland this board is.

The discussion is about Fifty wins.
My point - Wins isn't the stat to be pointing to for Vezina consideration.

If he manages to hit 50, it will say a lot more about the Flames than it will the Kiprusoff.

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01-09-2009, 07:32 PM
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Absolutely not.

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No and I don't think it's possible for him to do it on Calgary. They aren't getting anywhere near 50 wins.

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