HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
National Hockey League Talk Discuss NHL players, teams, games, and the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Kolzig beats Flyers...

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-06-2004, 09:44 PM
  #1
EroCaps
Registered User
 
EroCaps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Virginia
Country: United States
Posts: 14,547
vCash: 500
Kolzig beats Flyers...

seconds away from a shutout.

EroCaps is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 09:48 PM
  #2
NJ_Devil_Boy
Registered User
 
NJ_Devil_Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,840
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EroCaps
seconds away from a shutout.
So was Brodeur....

NJ_Devil_Boy is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 09:51 PM
  #3
Kevin Forbes
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,170
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ_Devil_Boy
So was Brodeur....
huh? the goal against Brodeur was scored in the 2nd period

and why is a shutout by any goaltender so important to merit a new thread? I mean, if some interesting opinion or insight was given....but

Kevin Forbes is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 09:55 PM
  #4
NJ_Devil_Boy
Registered User
 
NJ_Devil_Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,840
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by forbesy
huh? the goal against Brodeur was scored in the 2nd period
Yeah, late in the 2nd hence the "seconds away from a shutout".

NJ_Devil_Boy is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 09:59 PM
  #5
Dr Love
Registered User
 
Dr Love's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Location, Location!
Posts: 20,378
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ_Devil_Boy
Yeah, late in the 2nd hence the "seconds away from a shutout".
What kind of warped logic is that? There were still 20 minutes left in the game. Kolzig was at least scored on with literally seconds left in the game.

Dr Love is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:04 PM
  #6
NJ_Devil_Boy
Registered User
 
NJ_Devil_Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,840
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Love
What kind of warped logic is that? There were still 20 minutes left in the game. Kolzig was at least scored on with literally seconds left in the game.
I'm looking at it from the stand point the game is over already. So yes, Brodeur was "seconds away from a shutout."

NJ_Devil_Boy is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:06 PM
  #7
Drake1588
UNATCO
 
Drake1588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 27,847
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by forbesy
and why is a shutout by any goaltender so important to merit a new thread? I mean, if some interesting opinion or insight was given....but
On this board, I tend to agree. It would be a lot more relevant to post a Kolzig shutout thread on the trade rumors board, after he nearly shuts out what was the East standings' top points team entering the game, when Kolzig is heavily rumored to be available heading into the trade deadline home stretch. Whatever happens, the Caps cannot complain about Kolzig's efforts to ratchet up his trade value over the last two months. He's been awesome.

Drake1588 is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:09 PM
  #8
meehan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: new york
Country: United States
Posts: 1,945
vCash: 50
Send a message via ICQ to meehan Send a message via AIM to meehan Send a message via MSN to meehan Send a message via Yahoo to meehan Send a message via Skype™ to meehan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake1588
On this board, I tend to agree. It would be a lot more relevant to post a Kolzig shutout thread on the trade rumors board, after he nearly shuts out what was the East standings' top points team entering the game, when Kolzig is heavily rumored to be available heading into the trade deadline home stretch. Whatever happens, the Caps cannot complain about Kolzig's efforts to ratchet up his trade value over the last two months. He's been awesome.
The more important thing is that, with scouts attending the game, the caps played very well, which bodes especially well for Kolzig and Witt who hope to be on a new team by Tuesday.

meehan is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:13 PM
  #9
Kevin Forbes
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,170
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake1588
On this board, I tend to agree. It would be a lot more relevant to post a Kolzig shutout thread on the trade rumors board, after he nearly shuts out what was the East standings' top points team entering the game, when Kolzig is heavily rumored to be available heading into the trade deadline home stretch. Whatever happens, the Caps cannot complain about Kolzig's efforts to ratchet up his trade value over the last two months. He's been awesome.
Hey I get your point, but the first few posts said nothing like this, it was just the mere fact that Kolzig was seconds away from a shutout...
That in itself (to me at least) isn't deserving of it's own thread. Adding details like you just did, makes this thread actually relevant

Kevin Forbes is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:21 PM
  #10
Dr Love
Registered User
 
Dr Love's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Location, Location!
Posts: 20,378
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ_Devil_Boy
I'm looking at it from the stand point the game is over already. So yes, Brodeur was "seconds away from a shutout."
Well then every goalie who has ever given up 1 goal in a game was "seconds away from a shutout." Twisted hindsight logic if you ask me, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead.

Dr Love is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:27 PM
  #11
NJ_Devil_Boy
Registered User
 
NJ_Devil_Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto, CANADA
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,840
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Love
Well then every goalie who has ever given up 1 goal in a game was "seconds away from a shutout." Twisted hindsight logic if you ask me, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead.
Canes' only goal came with seconds left in the 2nd. They didn't score in the 1st and 3rd. So yes, Brodeur came seconds away from a shutout (As I said before, I'm looking at it from the stand point the game is over already). There isn't much to understand here.....(I guess I'm wrong....)

NJ_Devil_Boy is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:33 PM
  #12
Drake1588
UNATCO
 
Drake1588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 27,847
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by forbesy
Hey I get your point, but the first few posts said nothing like this, it was just the mere fact that Kolzig was seconds away from a shutout...
That in itself (to me at least) isn't deserving of it's own thread. Adding details like you just did, makes this thread actually relevant
Agreed, wholeheartedly. If this could be moved by a mod to the other board, it might be grist for further trade discussion, actually.

If this stays here... well, interesting notes for Caps fans was the play of both Shaone Morrisonn and Brad Norton. Though I expected Norton to be little more than an enforcer, he played a very solid game, hitting frequently yet without talking himself out of the play inordinately to do so. I doubt he maintains that kind of consistency, but for a player who will only be in DC through the end of the season, his play tonight was a surprise. He played on the top pairing with Witt, I believe, and they were extremely effective.

Kolzig played well, but the whole team defense was impressive. Considering that the Caps have regularly allowed 40 shots per game this year, the 26 Philly managed tonight was a welcome change of pace.

Drake1588 is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:38 PM
  #13
John Flyers Fan
Registered User
 
John Flyers Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 22,345
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake1588
Kolzig played well, but the whole team defense was impressive. Considering that the Caps have regularly allowed 40 shots per game this year, the 25 Philly managed tonight was a welcome change of pace.
The Caps played a nice game, but I think more of it was due to the Flyers than anything else.

The Flyers had dominated the Caps in the first 3 games this year by using a strong forecheck and owning the Caps weak defense.

The Flyers never got a good forecheck going tonight and spent far too much time in their own end. That's what happens when you have 2 defenseman playing in their first ever NHL game (Meyer & Jones), a career minor leaguer (Slaney) and a forward playing defense (Kapanen).

John Flyers Fan is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:47 PM
  #14
TVanek26*
 
TVanek26*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Buffalo,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 8,583
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to TVanek26*
The game has ended and Kolzig has left the ice.Supposedly he has been traded.Why would he leave the ice after the game?


TVanek26* is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:48 PM
  #15
Dr Love
Registered User
 
Dr Love's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Location, Location!
Posts: 20,378
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ_Devil_Boy
Canes' only goal came with seconds left in the 2nd. They didn't score in the 1st and 3rd. So yes, Brodeur came seconds away from a shutout (As I said before, I'm looking at it from the stand point the game is over already). There isn't much to understand here.....(I guess I'm wrong....)
The point is that when the goal was scored against Kolzig, you could look at the clock and see that he was literally seconds away from a shutout. When the goal was scored on Brodeur, he was just over 20 minutes away from a shutout. If you want to call it seconds away because it was the only goal he gave up, go ahead, me, I don't see it that way because when he gave it up he had the potential to be scored on again later on. With Kolzig there was no later on.

Dr Love is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 10:51 PM
  #16
Drake1588
UNATCO
 
Drake1588's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 27,847
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
The Flyers never got a good forecheck going tonight and spent far too much time in their own end. That's what happens when you have 2 defenseman playing in their first ever NHL game (Meyer & Jones), a career minor leaguer (Slaney) and a forward playing defense (Kapanen).
Oh, I don't think any Caps fans would be bragging about their team, if it came off that I was doing so. The Caps suck... it's all about getting the occasional glimpse from a player or two, and development for the long haul now.

Mostly, it's nice to see Kolzig playing strong right up to the deadline, because it would be really nice to dispose of the contract and make room for Ouellet as the starter. After that, I'd rather see the Caps lose as many games as they can... highest possible draft pick becomes the goal, sadly. Pretty bleak, but it's what we've got.

Drake1588 is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 11:32 PM
  #17
Sting
Registered User
 
Sting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,887
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Sting
Always nice to see the Flyers lose to one of the worst teams Looks like the Sens got the best of them last night after all.

Sting is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 11:34 PM
  #18
paxtang
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Harrisburg
Posts: 2,242
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sting004
Always nice to see the Flyers lose to one of the worst teams Looks like the Sens got the best of them last night after all.
Yeah that's it!!!

paxtang is offline  
Old
03-06-2004, 11:35 PM
  #19
John Flyers Fan
Registered User
 
John Flyers Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 22,345
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sting004
Always nice to see the Flyers lose to one of the worst teams Looks like the Sens got the best of them last night after all.
Nope, we still beat you 5-3.

Thanks for coming.

John Flyers Fan is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 10:46 AM
  #20
HF2002
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,836
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
Nope, we still beat you 5-3.

Thanks for coming.

But you guys all claimed that it made the Flyers a better team, over coming Ottawa the way they did. Then they go out and lose to essentialy an AHL team with an NHL goalie.

Ottawa, on the other hand, played a much tougher opponent in the Predators and came away with a win.

I'm not saying that beating Ottawa hasn't served the Flyers well in some way, but it did a lot more for Ottawa than some think, even though they lost that game. If only we had a goalie....

HF2002 is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 11:07 AM
  #21
thedjpd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 2,684
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HF2002
But you guys all claimed that it made the Flyers a better team, over coming Ottawa the way they did. Then they go out and lose to essentialy an AHL team with an NHL goalie.

Ottawa, on the other hand, played a much tougher opponent in the Predators and came away with a win.

I'm not saying that beating Ottawa hasn't served the Flyers well in some way, but it did a lot more for Ottawa than some think, even though they lost that game. If only we had a goalie....
The Flyers had 3 AHL defenseman and 1 forward playing D. I suppose that had nothing to do with it.

thedjpd is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 11:36 AM
  #22
Ridley Simon
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 5,183
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedjpd
The Flyers had 3 AHL defenseman and 1 forward playing D. I suppose that had nothing to do with it.
welcome to the Caps world.... for this entire season!

Ridley Simon is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 11:51 AM
  #23
Freudian
Patty likes beef
 
Freudian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: Sweden
Posts: 29,136
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJ_Devil_Boy
Canes' only goal came with seconds left in the 2nd. They didn't score in the 1st and 3rd. So yes, Brodeur came seconds away from a shutout (As I said before, I'm looking at it from the stand point the game is over already). There isn't much to understand here.....(I guess I'm wrong....)
He came 20 mins and seconds away from a shutout. You can't say because there were no goals in the third he would have gotten a shutout. It is not unlikely NJ would have played the third differently if it had been 0-0 instead of 1-0.

Freudian is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 01:21 PM
  #24
Sting
Registered User
 
Sting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,887
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Sting
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedjpd
The Flyers had 3 AHL defenseman and 1 forward playing D. I suppose that had nothing to do with it.
So? The Sens were missing Bonk, White, Varada, Chara, Rachunek and Volchenkov against the Predators. You guys don't have much depth on D..that's not our problem. Go Caps go.

Sting is offline  
Old
03-07-2004, 01:45 PM
  #25
thedjpd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Jose, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 2,684
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sting004
So? The Sens were missing Bonk, White, Varada, Chara, Rachunek and Volchenkov against the Predators. You guys don't have much depth on D..that's not our problem. Go Caps go.
Uh, don't have much depth on D?

We have *5* injuries to DEFENSEMAN. You just listed 6 injuries for your ENTIRE TEAM. You guys were missing 2 defenseman, and one not due to injury. When healthy, the Flyers have 9 or 10 NHL ready defenseman, and that's not depth? Sue us for not having awesome #11 and #12 defenseman. On top of that, we're not even accounting for forwards. Don't skew it to seem the Sens are worse off.

The Flyers don't have any elite talent on defenseman, like say a Chara, Lidstrom or Pronger. But to say they don't have depth is asinine.

That doesn't excuse the loss, but trying to prove that it is insignificant is ridiculous.


Last edited by thedjpd: 03-07-2004 at 01:48 PM.
thedjpd is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:49 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.