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01-10-2009, 12:12 PM
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Teams with no hope

Watching the unreal turn around of the Blackhawks, from joke to one of the elite teams in the league, lets look, laugh, and point fingers at the teams, as of right now, that have no hope but to start over, and pray they have a GM that can turn things around in a couple years.

Or, those tweener teams that are on the cusp of greatness, what do they need to do to get over the hump?

My team with no hope= the Leafs.
The Leafs are so far away from being respectable, that even if they tanked and got Tavares, it still could be years before they are considered a Cup contender.
The players bantered about on the Trade forum are extremely over rated, and wouldnt get even a decent return for. Burke just might be delusional, and out of tune with where the NHL wants to go.

Tweener team= Yotes.
Get rid of Gretzky, get a read coach, and a solid defensive D-man, and this team is seriously scary

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01-10-2009, 12:14 PM
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Leafs.

They dont have the luxury of tanking like the Tampa Bays or Phoenixs do and our prospect pool is depressingly bad.

They keep saying on the radio here we are one step above and expansion franchise. I think thats a little too optimistic to be honest.

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Well, as a leafs fan I obviously don't agree with you. No hope for me means little chance of playoffs even within a couple of years, which I don't think is true of the leafs. Good coach, good GM, and an emerging core of young players is a recipe for success, and after the upcoming draft I think the Leafs will look pretty good.

I'd say the islanders are the closest thing to a no hope team, particularly if DiPietro continues struggling with injuries. Maybe Atlanta if the keep Waddell. But really, every team has at least a somewhat plausible shot at a turnaround similar to the blackhawks, so even these teams are debatable.

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01-10-2009, 12:18 PM
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Well, as a leafs fan I obviously don't agree with you. No hope for me means little chance of playoffs even within a couple of years, which I don't think is true of the leafs. Good coach, good GM, and an emerging core of young players is a recipe for success, and after the upcoming draft I think the Leafs will look pretty good.

I'd say the islanders are the closest thing to a no hope team, particularly if DiPietro continues struggling with injuries. Maybe Atlanta if the keep Waddell. But really, every team has at least a somewhat plausible shot at a turnaround similar to the blackhawks, so even these teams are debatable.
Iam not knocking anybodys favorite team, and while many could take pot shots thats not what Iam trying to do.

As for the Islanders, there another team that doesnt have a decent future.
Not bad enough to get a high draft pick, but a talent base that is frighteningly stale.

Atlanta has a team?

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01-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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Leafs, Islanders, Thrashers, Lightning, Kings, Panthers

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Leafs, Islanders, Thrashers, Lightning, Kings, Panthers
Have you seen the Kings' D? it's only a few years until they are contenders.

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The players bantered about on the Trade forum are extremely over rated, and wouldnt get even a decent return for. Burke just might be delusional, and out of tune with where the NHL wants to go...
Right...because Burke uses the Trade Forum for our opinions on what a player is worth.
Leaf/Canuck/Panthers/whatever NHL team fans are the ones that seem to over-rate said players's value.
I'm guilty of this as well...but I'm pretty sure that Burke has a better handle on where the Leafs and the NHL wants to go.

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Leafs and Thrashers (once Kovalchuk is gone).

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it is natural mathematic law

some teams will die (in my thoughts atlanta and florida)

there are some teams stuck in no-mans-land

they suck bad and never get to the playoffs
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they dont suck that much to get #1 picks and good picks

they will end up chocking

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I disagree about Florida. They have a solid D corps and although Vokoun's been hitting the skids as of late, he's still better than what a lot of teams have for starting goalies. All they need is some bonafide scoring up front.

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Iam not knocking anybodys favorite team, and while many could take pot shots thats not what Iam trying to do.

As for the Islanders, there another team that doesnt have a decent future.
Not bad enough to get a high draft pick, but a talent base that is frighteningly stale.

Atlanta has a team?
Great way to contradict yourself there.

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I don't see the Leafs as a hopeless team. While they're not very talented, they do work hard and should be able to compete for a low playoff seed in a couple of years with the right moves by Burke. When you have a GM like Burke and a good coach like Wilson you always have a chance.

As far as which teams have no hope, I'm not even gonna answer that; every fan deserves a reason to believe that his/her team will be at the top of the mountain someday. It's kind of cruel to dash anyone's dreams, no?

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Ottawa has no hope... this year.

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Teams with no future whatsoever ever:

Atlanta Thrashers ... (They have a team WHY?!)

New York Islanders ... (Time to go away)

Florida Panthers ... (This team is done)


If you guys actually think either the Leafs or Sens have no future, you're just being stupid. The Leafs now have some proper management in place with proper coaching.

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Leafs look consistently depressing. They'll need to tear it all down before anything is possible. I'm pretty sure Burke can get them back to respectability.

Despite St. Louis's abysmal record this year, they're stacked with talented young players.

This may be controversial, but Dallas may be on their way out of the limelight. Zubov and Modano are retiring soon, and who knows how effective Morrow will be after his knee injury.

Islanders are a mess. Panthers can't hold a core together. Atlanta has got some great, young talent in the system but their management is mentally handicapped.

LA, Phoenix, and the aforementioned Blackhawks are moving into the spotlight after years of suckage.

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Florida, no question. I don't know anyone who plays for Florida. Partly because of ignorance, partly because they don't have any good players.

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Tweener team= Yotes.
Get rid of Gretzky, get a read coach, and a solid defensive D-man, and this team is seriously scary
You sir, are a genius. I had no idea that a team who is loaded with offensive potential right now is going to be awesome in a year or two.

08-09 Coyotes = 05-06/06-07 Penguins

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Leafs.

They dont have the luxury of tanking like the Tampa Bays or Phoenixs do and our prospect pool is depressingly bad.

They keep saying on the radio here we are one step above and expansion franchise. I think thats a little too optimistic to be honest.
It takes time to rebuild. We should have started our rebuild around when the lockout ended, we didn't, now we have to wait a few more years to become a great team again.

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My team with no hope= the Leafs.
The Leafs are so far away from being respectable, that even if they tanked and got Tavares, it still could be years before they are considered a Cup contender.
So, basically, what you're saying is that there is hope. Your entire post makes no sense.

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Leafs look consistently depressing.
Sounds like LA for the past 15 years.

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