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01-10-2009, 08:26 PM
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VAN - TB: Lecavalier

Given the reports that Tampa Bay may be in financial troubles, and that they are looking to shed salary, Lecavalier massive contract comes to mind. The fact that his contract is front loaded would make his salary even harder for Tampa to handle. Vancouver, on the other hand, is in a position of financial strength. They have lots of cap room, and from all indication, will always be permitted to spend to the cap.

Note, this proposal could only be made during the summer, or possibly, at the trade deadline. (I remember hearing the Canucks could absorb a contract worth 6 million, so Lecavalier's 7.7 million could be a stretch)

To Tampa Bay: Kesler, Raymond, Edler, 1st round pick

To Vancouver: Lecavalier

Hopefully I haven't undervalued Lecavalier.

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I would imagine Tampa would want Hodgson involved, maybe swap him for Kesler? That would be a pretty decent deal for the Lightning if they were to move Vinny.

I'm guessing that Vinny's new deal starts on July 1st so that should mean that his NTC doesn't kick in until then so if the Lightning are indeed considering moving him, the draft would likely be the best time to do so.

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Yeah, Hodgson would need to be going back.

Something like:

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From now on anyone who makes this kind of thread should be banned.

Lecavalier is not going anywhere, period.


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I thought Tampa would only trade Lecavalier if Luongo was coming the other way. As for finances being a problem in Tampa Bay, I doubt it. Len Barrie just sold his golfing and condo development to a group in Dubai for $500 million. Yeah, Lecavalier is going nowhere.

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Anyone who makes this kind of thread should be banned.

Lecavalier is not going anywhere, period.
Have you seen the other trade threads that have come and gone in this forum?

And you think THIS is ban-worthy?

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Pierre Lebrun just stated on the Hotstove that talk around the league is that he is available. Take it FWIW.

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umm.. wasnt there just at thread and a TSN article saying Vinny wont go anywhere?

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no thanks the tampa bay lightning would want

sedins
kesler
burrows
raymond
hansen

for

lecaviler
stamoks
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Anyone who makes this kind of thread should be banned.

Lecavalier is not going anywhere, period.
Luongo wasn't going anywhere either. Gretzky anyone?

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Given the reports that Tampa Bay may be in financial troubles, and that they are looking to shed salary, Lecavalier massive contract comes to mind. The fact that his contract is front loaded would make his salary even harder for Tampa to handle. Vancouver, on the other hand, is in a position of financial strength. They have lots of cap room, and from all indication, will always be permitted to spend to the cap.

Note, this proposal could only be made during the summer, or possibly, at the trade deadline. (I remember hearing the Canucks could absorb a contract worth 6 million, so Lecavalier's 7.7 million could be a stretch)

To Tampa Bay: Kesler, Raymond, Edler, 1st round pick

To Vancouver: Lecavalier

Hopefully I haven't undervalued Lecavalier.
I couldn't believe how much crap you gave us on the Leaf board about homer proposals.

Now you come up with this?

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I couldn't believe how much crap you gave us on the Leaf board about homer proposals.

Now you come up with this?
Kesler is worth a first+.
Raymond probably a late first.
Edler could return a first+.

Those are three fantastic young players. A selke candidate who scores 20, a fast winger and a wonderful defenseman, all of whom are under the age of 25! WTF. That's more than any star player has returned in a trade in a LONG time.

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I'd rather have our team now, then the team with Lecav.

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Kesler is worth a first+.
Raymond probably a late first.
Edler could return a first+.

Those are three fantastic young players. A selke candidate who scores 20, a fast winger and a wonderful defenseman, all of whom are under the age of 25! WTF. That's more than any star player has returned in a trade in a LONG time.
As an Oiler fan I would say that your proposal is pretty fair. BUT why the heck would you guys want Vinnie. You might as well go for it this year. You have two great Centerman. Kesler IMO is a keeper. (see the Oilers) if we had a guy like Kesler on our team we would be in 3rd place in the conf right now. If the Canucks are serious keep your assets and make a smaller trade for a big winger. ie....Horton

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Kesler is worth a first+.
Raymond probably a late first.
Edler could return a first+.

Those are three fantastic young players. A selke candidate who scores 20, a fast winger and a wonderful defenseman, all of whom are under the age of 25! WTF. That's more than any star player has returned in a trade in a LONG time.
And Lecavalier is a franchise forward signed long term. The return is more like Hodgson, Edler, Grabner, 1st 09, Bernier.

If Lecavalier was at his PPG+ pace that he is usually on I doubt you would seriously think the OP proposal is acceptable.

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And Lecavalier is a franchise forward signed long term. The return is more like Hodgson, Edler, Grabner, 1st 09, Bernier.

If Lecavalier was at his PPG+ pace that he is usually on I doubt you would seriously think the OP proposal is acceptable.
To be honest I don't think it's that far off. They could stand to throw in a goalie prospect(not sure if the bolts need schnieder with ramo and Smith?) Eastern teams don't really respect the west players and vice verca. Kesler is a stud for the Canucks. Actually their whole third line is clicking, why change it?

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To be honest I don't think it's that far off. They could stand to throw in a goalie prospect(not sure if the bolts need schnieder with ramo and Smith?) Eastern teams don't really respect the west players and vice verca. Kesler is a stud for the Canucks. Actually their whole third line is clicking, why change it?
That's another story. It isn't worth it to dismantle your core for a star when you don't need one. What Kesler bring can't ne replace by Vinnie.

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That's another story. It isn't worth it to dismantle your core for a star when you don't need one. What Kesler bring can't ne replace by Vinnie.
Exactly. I don't think these two teams are a good fit. (unless of course we are talking about a trade for St.Louis)

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I would imagine Tampa would want Hodgson involved, maybe swap him for Kesler? That would be a pretty decent deal for the Lightning if they were to move Vinny.

I'm guessing that Vinny's new deal starts on July 1st so that should mean that his NTC doesn't kick in until then so if the Lightning are indeed considering moving him, the draft would likely be the best time to do so.
Ya, you are probably right. I would prefer, obviously, to keep Hodgson; but if the Lightning are giving up a franchise centremen like Lecavalier, they would be looking for a young player with substantial upside.

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I couldn't believe how much crap you gave us on the Leaf board about homer proposals.

Now you come up with this?
You seem to be the only poster that has suggested that this proposal is way off in terms of value.

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Luongo wasn't going anywhere either. Gretzky anyone?
Except none of those players had 10+ years contract.

common sense. No one signs a player to 11 year deal just to trade him away.

Again, whoever posting anything about Lecvalier should be permenently banned.

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Hodgson, Edler, Raymond, Grabner, 1st.

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Except none of those players had 10+ years contract.

common sense. No one signs a player to 11 year deal just to trade him away.

Again, whoever posting anything about Lecvalier should be permenently banned.
HF says attack the post, not the poster, so I am going to have to keep my thoughts about you to myself.

As far as your post, its stupid, idiotic and dumb. Good thing I never said anything about the poster.

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Except none of those players had 10+ years contract.

common sense. No one signs a player to 11 year deal just to trade him away.

Again, whoever posting anything about Lecvalier should be permenently banned.
You are quite obviously ignoring the important fact that the Tampa Bay Lightning are in financial troubles. Obviously Tampa would like to hold onto Lecavalier and his contract, but if they are losing large amounts of money, as speculated, they are going to have to trade away large contracts.

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I thought Tampa would only trade Lecavalier if Luongo was coming the other way. As for finances being a problem in Tampa Bay, I doubt it. Len Barrie just sold his golfing and condo development to a group in Dubai for $500 million. Yeah, Lecavalier is going nowhere.
thats a really stupid point. he's a business man, and if the team is losing a ton of money then him having more in the bank to lose doesn't mean ****

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Yeah, Hodgson would need to be going back.

Something like:

Hodgson
Kesler
Raymond
1st
+ Edler and a 2nd

Thats what TB is looking for...

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