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11-22-2015, 05:39 AM
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HOH Top 50 Non-NHL Europeans - Round 2 Voting Results

Vote 1 - Votes received from 13 of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Vyacheslav Fetisov 8 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 97
Sergei Makarov 4 8 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 94
Valeri Kharlamov 0 1 3 8 1 0 0 0 0 69
Anatoli Firsov 1 0 6 2 1 0 2 0 1 62
Vladislav Tretiak 0 0 3 2 6 1 1 0 0 57
Boris Mikhailov 0 0 0 0 2 7 3 1 0 36
Aleksandr Maltsev 0 0 0 0 1 3 3 5 1 24
Vladimir Martinec 0 0 0 0 2 1 3 4 3 21
Valeri Vasiliev 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 8 8

Vote 2 - Votes received from 12 of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thTotal
Vladislav Tretiak 10 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 93
Boris Mikhailov 0 6 2 4 0 0 0 0 74
Aleksandr Maltsev 0 3 4 1 3 1 0 0 65
Vladimir Martinec 2 1 0 2 4 3 0 0 58
Jiri Holecek0132213052
Vaclav Nedomansky0001362039
Valeri Vasiliev 0 0 2 1 0 1 5 3 33
Vladimir Petrov0001002918

Vote 3 - Votes received from 11 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Jiří Holeček 7 1 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 71
Valery Vasiliev 2 5 1 0 2 1 0 0 0 68
Václav Nedomanský 2 1 2 3 2 0 0 0 1 58
Jan Suchý 0 1 1 5 0 0 1 2 1 42
Vladimir Petrov 0 1 0 2 2 4 1 1 0 40
František Pospíšil 0 0 2 1 2 4 1 1 0 40
Vladimir Krutov 0 1 3 0 0 1 4 2 0 38
Aleksey Kasatonov 0 1 2 0 1 0 2 3 2 30
Igor Larionov 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 7 9

Vote 4 - Votes received from 12 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Jan Suchý 4 3 1 0 3 1 0 0 0 74*
Vladimir Petrov 2 3 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 74*
František Pospíšil 2 1 5 2 2 0 0 0 0 71
Vladimir Krutov 3 3 2 0 2 1 0 1 0 69
Aleksey Kasatonov 1 2 1 4 0 3 1 0 0 59
Aleksandr Yakushev 0 0 0 2 3 3 1 3 0 36
Igor Larionov 0 0 0 1 1 2 6 1 1 28
Milan Nový 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2 6 11
Aleksandr Ragulin 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5 5 10
*Tie-breaker: Suchý is ahead of Petrov on 8 ballots, Petrov is ahead of Suchý on 4 ballots.

Vote 5 - Votes received from 11 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Aleksandr Yakushev 5 3 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 75
Igor Larionov 3 1 2 2 0 2 1 0 0 61
Milan Nový 0 1 2 1 2 3 2 0 0 45
Sven Johansson (Tumba) 1 1 1 1 3 0 2 1 1 43
Vsevolod Bobrov 2 2 0 0 0 1 1 3 2 38
Helmuts Balderis 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 0 4 37
Jiří Holík 0 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 4 30
Vyacheslav Starshinov 0 0 1 2 1 1 2 1 3 28
Aleksandr Ragulin 0 1 0 1 0 3 1 4 1 27
Lennart Svedberg 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 7 12

Vote 6 - Votes received from 10 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10thNoneTotal
Vladimír Zábrodský 0 5 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 173
Vsevolod Bobrov 3 0 3 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 66
Helmuts Balderis 2 1 1 1 0 2 0 1 2 0 0 61
Jiří Holík 2 2 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 3 0 55
Vyacheslav Starshinov 0 0 1 2 2 2 1 0 1 1 0 51
Ivan Hlinka 0 1 0 3 0 3 0 1 0 0 2 48
Josef Maleček 2 0 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 3 44
Aleksandr Ragulin 1 0 0 1 2 0 2 0 2 2 0 43
Nikolay Sologubov 0 0 0 2 2 1 1 2 1 0 1 43
Veniamin Aleksandrov 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 2 1 1 2 36
Lennart Svedberg 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0 1 5 19
Vladimir Lutchenko 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 0 6 11

Vote 7 - Votes received from 12 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10thNoneTotal
Nikolay Sologubov 2 5 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 101
Ivan Hlinka 5 2 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 98
Aleksandr Ragulin 1 3 2 3 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 91
Veniamin Aleksandrov 1 0 4 3 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 84
Lennart Svedberg 0 0 1 3 3 2 3 0 0 0 0 69
Josef Maleček 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 4 56
Vladimir Lutchenko 0 1 0 2 2 1 2 1 0 1 2 52
Sergey Kapustin 0 0 0 1 0 2 2 3 1 1 2 37
Vitaly Davydov 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2 3 0 3 29
Vladimír Dzurilla 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 5 2 2 22
Peter Lindmark 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 6 2 16
Vladimir Shadrin 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 9 5

Vote 8 - Votes received from 12 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10thNoneTotal
Sergey Kapustin 4 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 91
Vladimir Lutchenko 3 3 2 1 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 89
Vitaly Davydov 0 0 6 2 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 76
Josef Maleček 4 1 0 1 0 2 1 0 0 3 0 73
Vladimír Dzurilla 0 2 0 2 4 2 1 0 1 0 0 72
Ulf Sterner 1 4 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 2 65
Jiří Bubla 0 0 0 2 2 1 1 1 1 0 4 40
Peter Lindmark 0 0 0 0 2 2 1 2 2 0 3 36
Hĺkan Loob 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 2 0 2 4 35
Aleksandr Almetov 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 2 2 0 524
Vladimir Shadrin 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 7 21
Igor Liba 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 2 1 6 20
Jiří Králík 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 2 7 13
František Tikal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 9 5

Vote 9 - Votes received from 11 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10thNoneTotal
Ulf Sterner 8 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 98
Hĺkan Loob 1 2 3 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0 79
Konstantin Loktev 1 4 0 2 1 0 0 1 0 2 0 71
Aleksandr Almetov 0 0 4 3 1 0 1 1 1 0 068
Jiří Bubla 0 1 2 0 1 2 4 0 0 1 0 58
Peter Lindmark 0 1 1 2 3 1 1 0 0 0 2 58
Jiří Králík 0 0 1 2 1 3 2 0 0 1 1 52
Vladimir Shadrin 0 2 0 1 0 1 0 2 1 2 2 40
Igor Liba 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 2 4 1 1 34
Jiří Lála 0 0 0 0 2 1 1 2 2 1 2 32
Lars-Erik Sjöberg 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 3 6 9
František Tikal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 8 6

Vote 10 - Votes received from 11 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8th9th10thNoneTotal
Vladimir Vikulov 6 0 1 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 92
Vlastimil Bubnik 1 4 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 68
Peter Lindmark 0 1 3 2 1 1 0 0 2 0 162
Viktor Shalimov 0 0 4 2 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 60
Jiri Bubla 0 2 1 0 1 1 2 2 1 0 1 53
Boris Mayorov 1 1 0 1 2 2 2 0 0 1 1 51
Nils Nilsson 1 1 0 0 4 1 0 0 0 0 4 48
Jiri Kralik 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 3 1 0 2 43
Erich Kuhnhackl 0 1 1 0 1 0 2 1 1 2 2 38
Jiri Lala0100011322133
Igor Liba1010000120625
Vladimir Shadrin0000031002521
Lars-Erik Sjöberg 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 7 10
František Tikal 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 10 1


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Vote 1

Thanks to everybody who has voted. 13 out of 15 is a very solid number of participants. Thumps up. The top 4 here are going to be added to the final list.


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Wow. Firsov really split voters. I was the guy voting him at the last spot.

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Pesonally I think the right four players came out on top. Among forwards, the three of Firsov, Kharlamov and Makarov had the best peak and there's a good case each of them was the best player outside the NHL in his prime. All of them would have been worthy number ones, but Makarov combines peak play with a longevity the others don't have, so it makes sense he ranks ahead of the others. Fetisov is hands down the best defenceman eligible in this project and his peak seems to have been right up there with the best forwards, he too has a case as best non-NHL player. Based on that and on the aggregate list (which is going to be published once the whole project is through) I fully excepted him to finish either first or second overall. No surprise there. Tretiak was a wild card: great reputation in some places, not so great in others; maybe he too was the best non-NHL player in his prime, but maybe the Soviets tended to overrate their best goaltenders relative to forwards and especially defencemen. Him finishing 5th feels right to me at the moment.

Looking forward to the upcoming debates for vote 2.

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Wow Firsov with a 1st place vote.

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Wow Firsov with a 1st place vote.
Just as interesting as splitting voters completely.

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I disagree with Fetisov's top spot (he stuck out more in a narrower field), but overall the vote is good. The spread on Firsov is kah-razey!

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Exactly the order in which I had them! I swapped Makarov and Fetisov in the end.

Good to see finally a list where Firsov is above Mikhailov.

Interesting that no one considered Kharlamov #1.

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Exactly the order in which I had them! I swapped Makarov and Fetisov in the end.

Good to see finally a list where Firsov is above Mikhailov.

Interesting that no one considered Kharlamov #1.
Me too! And we'd have been the only 2 with that exact order, given Firsov's 2 4th-place votes.

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Personally I think the right four players came out on top. ...
Agreed. I'd like to see a mod sticky a thread for the final votes.

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Agreed. I'd like to see a mod sticky a thread for the final votes.
Thanks for the reminder, I knew there was something I forgot to do. It's fixed now.

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Vote 2 - Votes received from 12 of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thTotal
Vladislav Tretiak 10 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 93
Boris Mikhailov 0 6 2 4 0 0 0 0 74
Aleksandr Maltsev 0 3 4 1 3 1 0 0 65
Vladimir Martinec 2 1 0 2 4 3 0 0 58
Jiri Holecek0132213052
Vaclav Nedomansky0001362039
Valeri Vasiliev 0 0 2 1 0 1 5 3 33
Vladimir Petrov0001002918

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Bit of vote splitting, but Tretiak pretty handily took the title of "Best European career goaltender."

Will be interesting to compare the splitting of these votes against previous projects you guys had.

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The top 3 is in the same order as I had them, but the rest are anything but...

Heh, totally failed to sell Nedomansky, since I was the only one who had him at #4.

Holecek is quite a 'vote-splitter'.

Petrov is not getting much love, but I guess it is a bit early for him; I had him above Vasiliev, though.

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Vote 3 - Votes received from 11 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Jiří Holeček 7 1 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 71
Valery Vasiliev 2 5 1 0 2 1 0 0 0 68
Václav Nedomanský 2 1 2 3 2 0 0 0 1 58
Jan Suchý 0 1 1 5 0 0 1 2 1 42
Vladimir Petrov 0 1 0 2 2 4 1 1 0 40
František Pospíšil 0 0 2 1 2 4 1 1 0 40
Vladimir Krutov 0 1 3 0 0 1 4 2 0 38
Aleksey Kasatonov 0 1 2 0 1 0 2 3 2 30
Igor Larionov 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 7 9


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Petrov only have 10 of the 11 votes counted. 1+1+5+1+2=10.

Seems like he should have another vote somewhere?

Edit: Nevermind you corrected it

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This was one even vote. Not surprisingly either.

Surprised to see Nedomansky being 9th on one list though. Even if I am not overly high on Nedomansky myself. Still the players in this round were in my opinion very evenly matched so maybe I should not be too surprised.

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Due to the close result (Suchý 42, Petrov and Pospíšil both 40, Krutov 38) we're only going to add the top 3 players to the final list. Suchý is going to be eligible again for Vote 4.

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Petrov only have 10 of the 11 votes counted. 1+1+5+1+2=10.

Seems like he should have another vote somewhere?

Edit: Nevermind you corrected it
Yes, but it's good to know people have an eye on it, so errors don't get passed over.

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With only 11 votes and such a small spread form 3-6, I think it's the right move to carry Suchy on into Vote 4.

I say that as someone who had Suchy quite high in Vote 3.

The more concerning issue is that we are already down to only 11 votes.


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I didn't get a reminder for the vote. Are we not going to get them anymore?

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Really not happy about Vasiliev being ranked above Nedomansky and Petrov. Vasiliev underrated? Not here on HFBoards, that's for sure.

And I knew that Krutov was going to divide opinions, but I'm disappointed anyway; I mean, if people generally seem to forgive Suchy his short prime, why is Krutov punished (more) for that? And actually, his prime wasn't even that short; he was one of world's best players for a longer time than Suchy.

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Really not happy about Vasiliev being ranked above Nedomansky and Petrov. Vasiliev underrated? Not here on HFBoards, that's for sure.

And I knew that Krutov was going to divide opinions, but I'm disappointed anyway; I mean, if people generally seem to forgive Suchy his short prime, why is Krutov punished (more) for that? And actually, his prime wasn't even that short; he was one of world's best players for a longer time than Suchy.
I don't think this is the right thread for it, but the circumstances of Krutov and Suchy's short primes are completely different.

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I don't think this is the right thread for it, but the circumstances of Krutov and Suchy's short primes are completely different.
Completely different? Yeah right.

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Vote 4 - Votes received from 12 out of 15 possible voters

Player1st2nd3rd4th5th6th7th8thNoneTotal
Jan Suchý 4 3 1 0 3 1 0 0 0 74*
Vladimir Petrov 2 3 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 74*
František Pospíšil 2 1 5 2 2 0 0 0 0 71
Vladimir Krutov 3 3 2 0 2 1 0 1 0 69
Aleksey Kasatonov 1 2 1 4 0 3 1 0 0 59
Aleksandr Yakushev 0 0 0 2 3 3 1 3 0 36
Igor Larionov 0 0 0 1 1 2 6 1 1 28
Milan Nový 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2 6 11
Aleksandr Ragulin 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5 5 10
*Tie-breaker: Suchý is ahead of Petrov on 8 ballots, Petrov is ahead of Suchý on 4 ballots.


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Oh so tight! (the top 4)

It has quite a different order than I had, and one from my top 4 did not make it (Yakushev). Petrov is the one of whom there was the least disagreement. I'm glad; he definitely should get on the list already.

Someone really had Kasatonov the 1st? Wow. Someone really did not vote for Pospisil? Wow II.

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