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You do know that Kaberle is under contract for another two years, right? It's as much a move for the future as it is for the present, and somehow I don't think adding that one player is really going to make the Senators so much better that they aren't in the running anyways. You still need forwards other than the Pizza line to score, and you can dump other players at the deadline for futures anyways (also ensuring a lower finish).
Of course, there's always a chance that the team puts together some wins and moves out of the cellar as it stands...
But there's zero chance Toronto makes that deal straight up, so it's a moot point.
Toronto wouldn't make this deal? Are you kidding me? They got freaken Van Ryn for McCabe, there is no chance in hell Kaberle could get you this deal. Even Dan Boyle didn't get prospects/picks this good, and hes better than Kaberle.
Leafs fans: Would you trade Schenn for Phillips straight up? Similar playing styles, similar upside, Schenn still has the potential to become better, but he could also top out. Phillips is on a cap-friendly contract.
You sure your not a Leafs fan in disguise?
No way Ottawa trades Karlsson who arguably is their best prospect.
oh no..u have all found out im a leafs fan...thats why i got season tickets to sens games...yes, read the post (first timer) didnt want bad comments thats why i put that there...and i said dont yell at me, so stop asking me if im a leafs fan THE ANSWERS NO! u probably are, what do u want...heatley, spezza, all our firsts, for him? LOL >.<
Comparing Chris Phillips to Tomas Kaberle is pure lunacy.
And I'm supposed to believe that in one year, Kaberle goes from being worth 1st + Carter (at the time), to not even being worth Karlsson? Or Mike Van Ryn?
McCabe only brought back Van Ryn because a) he's not that good, and b) he's grossly overpaid. For the market, Kaberle is a bargain and unlike McCabe, he is very good.
And for the record, I hate both these teams a lot, so I have no horse in this race to be biased for.
Comparing Chris Phillips to Tomas Kaberle is pure lunacy.
And I'm supposed to believe that in one year, Kaberle goes from being worth 1st + Carter (at the time), to not even being worth Karlsson? Or Mike Van Ryn?
McCabe only brought back Van Ryn because a) he's not that good, and b) he's grossly overpaid. For the market, Kaberle is a bargain and unlike McCabe, he is very good.
And for the record, I hate both these teams a lot, so I have no horse in this race to be biased for.
did you even read the posts?
he said Phillips is comparable to Schenn while Karlsson is comparable to Kaberle which they are.
A multiple time NHL All-Star vs a 'prospect' who has never laced up his skates for an NHL game are comparable? ...RIGHT!
...and Daigle is the next Lemieux
OMG are you even reading it Karlsson PLAYS like Kaberle in terms of that he can move the damn puck and his first pairing potential!
Just like Schenn has shutdown potential in which phillips is!!!!!!!!!!!!
It isnt that freaken hard to understand. going by your logic the leafs would trade Schenn for Phillips because Phillips is a proven shutdown defender who made it to the finals, while Schenn is just a prospect!
People here will go to great lengths to twist words to their favour. Either that, or they are completely incapable of basic reading comprehension.
Kaberle is to Karlsson and the Sens as Phillips is to Schenn and Toronto. I was drawing a simile. Remember those? Both veterans are currently better than their prospect counterparts, both have tons more experience, both are on cap friendly contracts with 2 more years remaining... But neither is a move that either team would do, because it's not in their future interest to do so. Is that so hard to comprehend?
In shorter words: Karlsson will not be moved for Kaberle for the same reasons that Schenn will not be moved for Phillips.
This thread should be closed. There is no way Ottawa does this.
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Last edited by The King of Town: 01-11-2009 at 04:51 PM.
A multiple time NHL All-Star vs a 'prospect' who has never laced up his skates for an NHL game are comparable? ...RIGHT!
...and Daigle is the next Lemieux
Right now, and for the next two years, obviously Kaberle will be the better player. No one is debating that.
It just makes 0 sense for a team in Ottawa's position to sacrifice Karlsson (who's ceiling is actually higher than Kaberle) for two useless years of Kaberle. We need a defenceman signed long-term. Every team could use a Kaberle, but our cup window is not open right now, and won't realistically be for about 2 more years - therefore, we will not pony up what it takes to get Kaberle. That simple.
You do know that Kaberle is under contract for another two years, right? It's as much a move for the future as it is for the present, and somehow I don't think adding that one player is really going to make the Senators so much better that they aren't in the running anyways. You still need forwards other than the Pizza line to score, and you can dump other players at the deadline for futures anyways (also ensuring a lower finish).
Of course, there's always a chance that the team puts together some wins and moves out of the cellar as it stands...
But there's zero chance Toronto makes that deal straight up, so it's a moot point.
To make the 8th seed against the Boston Bruins, we would have to replicate what the Detroit Red Wings did in the first half of the season.
Tanking and getting Hedman is a much more realistic and better option. Kaberle only makes us mediocre.
I think Kaberle does fit the mold as to what Ottawa needs and, as a Leafs fan, I like the deal. In reality though, it is a lot to ask for Kaberle...I'm not sure the Sens would be willing to give up Karlsson seeing how empty the cupboards are. That being said, what else would they give up for a player like that? Lee? I'd put his value higher than Karlsson's, seeing as he already has some NHL experience. Also, if Ottawa does move a 1st it definitely wont be theirs, it will be San Jose's...which is basically a very early 2nd.
The fact of the matter is, that Kaberle has a NTC adn he's not going to waive it to go to a much worse team than Toronto...let alone the Ottawa Senators.
First time im doing a trade proposal, so dont yell at me
To Ottawa: Thomas Kaberle
To Toronto: Ottawa's First (possible 5-10 overall), Erik Karlsson, 5th pick if he resigns with Ottawa..
thoughts? :S
Only way this could happen is if JFJr is the new Sens GM.
Keep trying though. Most proposal for Leaf players are a bag of moldy onion skins for the Leaf player. Or if a Leaf fan makes the proposal a moldy Wendel Clark cup for a 1st and a prospect.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a Spezza for Kaberle swap. There are so many rumors involving Spezza everywhere on the internet and Burke himself has said he has no problem dealing with Ottawa or Montreal. Another rumor has Gerber going on waivers, so how about Toskala and Kaberle to Ottawa for Spezza and a pick.
Ya I do support the Leafs but I don't see this getting done. Ottawas low first rounder(1-5 most likely) is gonna be worth more than kaberle straight up. I could see the Sens dealing Karlsson and that second first rounder (san jose's pick) likely 28-30 with the redwings and bruins surging of late. And a Second Round pick in 09. surely.... however its more likely kaberle goes to montreal, NY or Vancouver IMO
First time im doing a trade proposal, so dont yell at me
To Ottawa: Thomas Kaberle
To Toronto: Ottawa's First (possible 5-10 overall), Erik Karlsson, 5th pick if he resigns with Ottawa..
thoughts? :S
This is like Hedman and Karlsson right now... HELL NO!
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Originally Posted by My Sweet Shadow
I think Kaberle does fit the mold as to what Ottawa needs and, as a Leafs fan, I like the deal. In reality though, it is a lot to ask for Kaberle...I'm not sure the Sens would be willing to give up Karlsson seeing how empty the cupboards are. That being said, what else would they give up for a player like that? Lee? I'd put his value higher than Karlsson's, seeing as he already has some NHL experience. Also, if Ottawa does move a 1st it definitely wont be theirs, it will be San Jose's...which is basically a very early 2nd.
The fact of the matter is, that Kaberle has a NTC adn he's not going to waive it to go to a much worse team than Toronto...let alone the Ottawa Senators.
Lee & SJ's 1st for Kaberle... Done! If that were ever offered to Murray, I hope he jumps on it.
and i though Leaf fan's were homers
